REP GARCIA: The HSA requires that such an act sow and create a condition of widespread and extraordinary fear and panic, that the act is done “in order to coerce the Government to give in to an unlawful demand.” “Unless and until these two additional essential elements are present, there is no crime of terrorism. The act may constitute an ordinary crime of murder, kidnapping or arson, etc. but certainly not terrorism,” Garcia said.
Garcia said the 9-11 attacks, the London bombings in 2005 and most of the bombings in Iraq do not constitute terror under the Philippine definition.
“Why not? These bombings were not done in order to coerce the American, the English or the Iraqi governments to give in to an unlawful demand,” he said.
Garcia said the killing of 14 Marines and the decapitation of 10 of them in Al-Barka, Basilan last July also did not suffice as a terrorist act under the HSA.
“Oh, yes, it was a terrorist act, but not under the Human Security Act. It caused widespread fear but there was no demand [made on the government],” Garcia said.
Neither could the Super Ferry bombing in February 2004 be considered an act of terror under the HSA, he said.
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The three elements of the crime of terrorism as defined in the law:
[ONE] Criminal ACTS under one or more of a specified list of existing laws (piracy, rebellion, murder, arson, kidnapping, etc.) ;
[TWO] Used as TACTIC ("thereby") to sow and create of a condition of widespread and extraordinary panic among the populace.
[THREE] With the GOAL ("in order to") of coercing the government to give in to an unlawful demand.
Notice how all of them answer to WHAT?
Notice how you change WHAT to WHO just so you can fulfill the Third Element?
It's about the rule of law DJ, not whimsy.
MB,
The transition from WHAT to WHO is a completely natural one, considering that it has been those opposing the law that have raised the issue of WHO does the Law consider a terrorist under its definition.
The point I have made is that the three elements together tightly restrict the POSSIBLE suspects of terrorism to a rather small though unknown set of folks that are capable of only the most heinous acts.
It is a strength of the definition that it is hard to QUALIFY as a real terrorist under this law. But boy it hits the nail on the head as far as the targets I believe do qualify.
In other words MB, once you understand the law the way the Supreme Court will be forced to, then it becomes clear that journalists, activists and ordinary anti govt people have nothing to worry about.
YOU will never be mistaken for a terrorist MB. I am metaphysically certain of that!
DJ,
It's not about me. It's about your futile defense of a histrionic law. It's unenforceable under current definitions.
The transition from the rule of law to one of whimsy is not completely natural. The WHO in this case will be determined by their equally fanatical ideological enemies, an equally dangerous group of WHOs.
It's not about whose side you're one DJ. It's about the rule of law, the only thing everybody should be fighting for
MB,
As far as I know, this Law was 11 years in the making! It was first proposed by JPE in 1996, five years before Sept 11.
It is a validly enacted piece of legislation. Is it not our duty to ensure that it is properly interpreted and implemented?
But first we must understand what the zone of legitimate application of it is. I have spent a great deal of energy trying to understand it. I find it to be defensible, even though you know I have a more simple definition that I much prefer.
But until proven otherwise the Rule of Law demands that we make it work according to our best lights.
All's I'm saying about the definition is that you folks are wrong who say it will be easy to accuse just about anyone of terrorism. It won't.
Unless the authorities want to spend a lot of time in jail and pay heavy fines.
So where is the IRR?
Is the commission and law enforcers going to wing it?
mb,
HSA 2007 is a Criminal Statute. It does not require IRR as such. It is only in the case of VAGUE laws, ie noncriminal statutes that require IRRs. HSA 2007 is crystal, even though I don't agree with all the crap Pimentel put in. But I can live with it.
DJ,
Alam ko yan. Pero you know very well na maraming bagay dyan sa batas, lalong lalo na yun elements, na hindi klaro and are left to the discretion of the enforcer.
Kaya in this case kailangan ng IRR. para klaro kung ano nga ba ang ino enforce.
Para may rule of law at hindi rule of whimsy.
mb,
when i was in high school and BEFORE i mastered trigonometry, i used to complain to my teacher that the whole area was jumble of formulae that only taxed our ability to memorize them.
Then I discovered something called the Euler Equation which explained everything and contained in it the whole secret of trig.
I think laws are similar to trig. You have to find the mainspring of the law, like I said, find the way that the Supreme Court will interpret the law.
In the case of the HSA, everything does revolve around the definition. All its various provisions are really dictated by the complex set of 3 elements that define the crime.
IRR's are for BOT projects and election automation reform.
Brevity is the soul of a criminal statute.
But You are wrong to say that enforcers can just apply the law willy nilly.
That's just an uhmm whimsical notion that I ascribe to the Liberal Left's need to be persecuted. Because if they are not persecuted, nothing validates what they are doing about all the ills of society, which is nothing much more than complaining, protesting and demonstrating.
Isn't that the only idea the Left has? To protest everything?
But now they aren't the baddest asses in town. The jihadists are more radical even than the communists, who are all at least secretly petit bourgeois.
DJ,
Don't shift to that crap about the Liberal Left again. That's not the issue.
The enforcers can enforce the law willy nilly and it has nothing to do with your biases towards those who don't share your neoconservative ideology.
We were talking about you moving from WHAT to WHO. Just so you could force fit your ideological enemies in your interpretation of the law.
The IRR would have been the Euler Equation.
Why should we have to read the Supreme Court's mind?
It's the job of the executive to say in no uncertain terms how it intends to implement the law and it is the Supreme Court's job to say whether or not the executive is acting legally and constitutionally.
Why are you muddling something that's so simple and clear?
MB,
It is simple and clear. A criminal statute does not require an IRR at all. Take the statute against Rape or Murder or Kidnapping. Do they have IRR's.
Yet do you want them repealed too?
As for the definition of terrorism it seems to be self evident that this matter involves both WHO and WHAT, inextricably linked with the crime is the criminal.
The designation of terrorist suspects and terrorist organizations is the next logical step that proceeds from the definition.
So I do not have to force fit my ideological enemies into the definition. They ARE my ideological enemies BECAUSE they fit the definition to a TEE.
I claim this is a very small set, as I have very few enemies, thank you. You claim that all sorts of people will be accused of terrorism.
The legal definition of rape is clear, the legal definition of terrorism is not. Under the law, the beheadings in Basilan do not constitute terrorism because one of the elements is missing - demands.
Now you argue those demands are implied because of WHO committed those acts. Well that's you extending the meaning of the law.
So you want certain individuals designated terrorists because of their membership or association with certain organizations that YOU call terrorist. And that would make the element of demand automatic via membership.
So we're right back to one side pointing to the other side and calling them terrorists. WHIMSY, CAPRICE, IDEOLOGICAL BIAS.
It's not WHO it's WHAT when the third element is discussed.
I feel like I'm arguing with Joma. Ideology trumps common sense.
You have to rewrite the law's definition of terrorism.
mb,
The demands are not implied! The demands are explicitly to dismember the Philippine Republic and agree for them to secede and establish their own Fundamentalist Islamic Republic.
I am merely refuting the entirely naive suggestion that "demands" mean the beheaders are supposed to be shouting demands for ransom other illegal policy changes WHILE they are sawing a soldier's head.
The beheadings would be ordinary nonterrorist crimes of murder IF they weren't being done as part of a politically motivated movement to separate from the Philippine republic.
That is all the third element actually means, that the component crime is done as part of an attempt to force on the govt a plainly illegal and unconstitutional condition.
If they did it purely to get the soldiers cellphones and wedding rings, then it would not be terrorism.
Why is WHO did it impt. Because those who owned up to the murders were members of the MILF, not exactly the Oxo sigue sigue gang, di ba?
So it is WHO and WHAT they do and WHY that make up the definition.
Terrorism is as terrorism does.
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