The truth about what really happened at the San Carlos Seminary between June 10-13, 2005 is coming out at the Senate investigations into the Garci wiretapping scandal. No matter how hard Juan Ponce Enrile and Dick Gordon tried, the overwhelming preponderance of eyewitness testimonies of many well known persons there present, including Bishop Teodoro Bacani, Senator Sergio Osmena, Oscar Orbos, Mayor Jejomar Binay, and Atty. Luis Sison seemed to win the day. For one thing, the claims that Vidal Doble was being "illegally detained" at San Carlos Seminary by former NBI Deputy Director Samuel Ong are now completely unbelievable (if they weren't already before!) because of the mass of corroborating details from all these witnesses. What was really happening was that Sammy Ong, who claimed to have the Mother of all Tapes (actually four in number) given to him by Vidal Doble, was about to hold a press conference in which he would reveal everything about the scandal that had been precipitated a few days before on June 6, when Press Sec. Ignacio Bunye first revealed the Garci wiretappings. They were seeking sanctuary in the "Bahay Pari" (House of the Priests) of San Carlos, when the place was surrounded by heavily armed units of the Armed Forces, police, and the Intelligence Services. Now according to Atty. Luis Sison, who was also present during the entire three day incident, there came a point in time when Bishop Soc Villegas came to pick up Vidal Doble and bring him to General Abu at Camp Aguinaldo, where he said Doble's wife and children were waiting to see him. Doble folded and the press conference was off because of the pressure of his family being fetched all the way from Kidapawan City by Palace trouble shooter and the niece of Gaudencio Cardinal Rosales, (a Ms. Medy Poblador). They were then given a deadline to leave by 7 pm June 13. Sison relates how Atty. Samuel Ong, having no other sanctuary to run to, asked Bishop Soc Villegas for just a one hour extension. The good bishop is said to have coldly looked around the room and declared, "You will be ALL out of here by 7 o'clock!!" At that point, Sison described Bishop Soc Villegas "MERCILESS." Another eyewitness, a Mr. Dan or Don Remo said that he gave up being a Catholic on that very evening. Atty. Sison also said that when he tried to explain to Bishop Soc Villegas that Sammy Ong truly feared for his life (since the Seminary was surrounded by reported sharpshooters and several armed agents had actually entered the Seminary and ended up leaving their car full of firearms on the grounds), whereupon he says the Bishop made a big show of making a phone call to the President to assure her there was no need for that and to call off any "sharpshooters."
The role played by Church personalities in that whole incident at San Carlos Seminary really needs more airing and examination. There are, I believe, CRIMINAL liabilities involved here on the part of persons like Soc Villegas and his boss, Gaudencio Rosales. (Never mind the MORAL questions, which they may answer to whatever god it is they actually pray to!)
JAMBY'S THREE EXCELLENT QUESTIONS: I hate to admit it because I deeply disagree with her leftist politics, but today Senator Jamby Madrigal got a lot of points from me for asking three excellent questions, two techie questions and one psychological during the Senate's Wiretapping hearings.
The first was about the possibility that the telecomm firm's data bases are being used for marketing efforts either by the firms themselves or unscrupulous employees who are selling them to outside marketers. Jamby herself is apparently being beseiged by offers of land, seminars, cars, houses, etc. But I think it is universal experience, much detested and ought to be more closed regulated and prevented.
The next was a brilliant technical question (which I suspect was suggested to her by former Sen. Serge Osmeña) directed at Mon Isberto of Smart and Rudy Salalima of Globe. She asked the two telecomm representatives if they had the capability to do TRIANGULATION which is a process widely used in KIDNAPPING investigations when law enforcement works with telecomm service providers. In a typical case, someone is kidnapped and the kidnappers use his cell phone to contact relatives in order to demand the ransom. Because the mobile phone networks use a collection of cellular base stations to service their customers, the distance of a given cell phone unit to nearby cell sites can be determined from the signal strength received from it when it initiates a call or sends a text message. Thus, if the distances from at least three nearby cell sites can be found, then the location of the cell phone can be uniquely found. Without going into the mathematics, the location of the sending unit is at the intersection of three circles, one each centered at the known geographical locations of the base stations, and each having a radius equal to the distance to the unit as measured from the received signal strength. With data from only two base stations, it is even possible to get two locations at one of which the cell phone is likely to be. I think most sophisticated kidnappers probably know about these techniques and so will make ransom calls while on the move, though determined law enforcers could still get an idea of velocity and direction if they work fast enough.
I think this question of Jamby's really broke the silly logjam during the hearing over whether or not the telecomms participate in wiretapping activities or have the capabilities to assist external wiretapping agents. It is undeniable that they do in the case of kidnapping cases and what Jamby really segued into was Serge Osmena (attending as a resource person) who testified to the fact that in 1999, the US Government already donated to the Philippine Government sophisticated wiretapping equipment for GSM networks. I wrote about this item here at Philippine Commentary in 2005, noting that with the knowledge of certain codes built into every customer SIM Card, it is possible to do "on-air, off-network" wiretapping because then the digital transmissions can be decrypted. I think that is indeed how it was done. In the case of the President and Garci's conversations, someone working within the Smart Telecommunications was splitting the digital signal stream to and from the target cellphones and sending a copy of it to the ISAFP Project Lighthouse GSM Decryptors, which were then being pumped into the Monitoring/Recording cellphones. In effect the GSM decryptors CLONED the target phones so they could receive and decode the arriving digital bitstreams. All Doble and his men did was actually to monitor the Nokia 3600 model units that were used as clones, to download their memories after recording their conversations, and to make tapes and CDs for their superiors to review. Indeed, that is how Vidal Doble's voice got onto the tapes, announcing time, date and conversation participants, which also by the way is the best proof that HE, Vidal Doble made those recordings!
Jamby's second question was psychological and directed at Mrs. Arlene Doble, the estranged first wife (of which there are allegedly "three" in Doble's colorful life, including live in partner Joyce Andaya and girlfriend Mayet Santos). Jamby asked her if she still loved Vidal Doble, and in a series of gentle but eventually too painful, questions, she got her to admit that perhaps it was her anger that was causing her not to back up Doble's testimony by denying any pressure had been put on her. Biazon and Jamby herself relented and ended the line of inquiry just as Arlene Doble seemed to about to burst into tears.
But it shows Jamby Madrigal can ask "senatorial" quality questions.
Senate President Manny Villar made a short but quite meaningful appearance to make a simple but forthright statement that the Chief Executive Officers of Smart and Globe MUST make the statement under oath in the Senate that they did not have anything to do with the illegal wiretapping operations of the Isafp, and to pledge and reassure the public that they would never participate in such activities. I think he was right to make this demand, because it is really part of the Senate recovering its rightful place in the Government, to defend the right of Congress to information and to be respected by all with at least their attendance to an invitation by the Upper House. He reminds sternly that they have subpoena power over such private individuals, though I think how the telecomms are actually treated in this matter will separate the patriots from the mendicant and the beholden--both in the Senate and the Media.
RELATED: The Hello Garci Case -- Selected Philippine Commentaries
28 comments:
Senator Enrile is the biggest disppoinment in Philippine politics. He run for senator in the guise of being an opposition but now he is playing a staunch defender of Gloria...defending ISAFP, Abalos, Neri and anything that has something to do with GMA. While watching Neri and Abalos hurl stones at each other, definitely confirming anomalous conduct of these men, he still has the stomach to rise and defend them.
I feel like throwing up everytime I see his face in the TV and hear him defending what the ordinary citizen can perceive as devils.
I vividly remember that he used the PPA as his platform when he run as a senator and I was suportive to his crusade, but after winning... PPA was nowhere heard of again.
He danced to the tune of the oppositions but now he shamelessly is defending the interests of Gloria. I understand that he amassed fortunes during Marcos's time so that he now has to play Gloria's puppet so as not to elicit her ire and instigate investigation of his assets.
It is my desire that this government will soon be overthrown and that Enrile will lead his cohorts...thrown to Iraq and Afganisthan, to be kidnapped and beheaded by the rebels.
Disappointed of dirty government and politicians,
Rick Andres
Tsk tsk! Villegas should read John Paul II's biography. When the future pope was a seminarian Cardinal Sapieha never even let the Nazi occupiers into his palace cum seminary. Never did the Cardinal let people seeking sanctuary leave.
If Sapieha did then Villegas and all Catholics wouldn't have had a John Paul II!
Villegas just shows that he lacks moral courage! Shame!
i think mr. rosales and villegas should resign.
Sorry John, but Holy Orders are "indelible" haha.
Yeah! Triangulation it is. I remember we had this discussion in PCIJ in 2005 (the height of Hello Garci scandal). The unit is very portable, did not cost millions (despite claims of AFP), the only problem is that these vendors do not negotiate with private entities. I think we also were definite then that one or two such units were available locally and that the one used by PAOCTF had become defective.
I lost all these archives when my disk drive crashed a second time.
Thanks for reminding.
******
BTW, I took your your advice and started my blog already. Thanks also for the encouragement.
Last April 16, Benedict XVI addressed the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) & touched on a number of issues, in particular, the sex abuse scandal that rocked the local American Church during the last years of the pontificate of John Paul II.
In the said address, Benedict shared the sentiments of Cardinal Francis George, USCCB president, that the scandal caused "enormous pain to communities whose clerics have betrayed their priestly obligations & duties by such gravely immoral behavior".[1]
Though addressed to the American Bishops, the words of the Pontiff are for all Catholic Bishops Conferences, & in particular, to the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines.
I would like to bring to your attention a particular case of a self-confessed phedophile priest who hails from the diocese of Butuan but is now connected with the diocese of Bataan; Father Everett Magdalino Corvera.
According to his blog entitled Lord forgive me[2], "the Catholic Church is nothing more than a nesting ground for homosexuality in its most obscene forms. I've been preyed upon, the innocent & idolizing victim, & now I seek my prey."
He admits to having entered the priesthood with the sole purpose of being accepted by high society "regardless of appearance & intellect"; of thinking about the things his honorarium from performing the sacraments could buy; of being molested & sodomized by two priests on separate & repeated occasions while he was still in the seminary, & of having sex "with nuns, married women, non-Christians, & men"; particularly his altar boys.
This is a localized case of the American sex scandal that rocked the already shaky hierarachy of values of the United States.
His style is no different with his American colleagues; he "looks for depressed & bothered women since it is so easy to start conversations with them & just use God & pretend to pity them. Upon earning their trust, they become vulnerable to him & its so easy to manipulate them into having sex."
Is the Dean of the Loyola School of Theology, Fr. Felipe Fruto Ll Ramirez, SJ aware that one of his students was a victim of sexual molestation?
Is the Moral-Pastoral Cluster Head of the LST, Fr. Eric Marcelo Genilo, SJ aware that an alumnus of the Graduate Course on Pastoral Ministry is doing exactly the opposite of what was taught to him?
Was Bishop Juan de Dios Pueblos of Butuan aware that he ordained a man with homosexual tendencies to the order of priesthood in spite of a 1985 order from Rome that the Church "cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practise homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called 'gay culture'"[3]?
Is Bishop Socrates Villegas of Bataan aware of the sexual activities of his priest? If yes, why then did he emulate the example of the American bishops by simply transferring the erring priest from one parish to another, thus putting in grave danger the women, men, & boys of Fr. Corvera's new parish? Benedict XV considers the American sex abuse scandal as having been "very badly handled"[4].
On a side-note, this seems to be the policy of Bishop Villegas when he simply transferred Fr.'s Abraham Pantig & Mario Margallo from one parish to another despite them having impregnated minors & married women.
Is Bishop Villegas too confident with his episcopal office and reputation that he is the protegee of Jaime Sin that he has now started to show his true color of being a wolf under sheep's clothing? During his consecration as bishop, he promised to be "a devoted Father & sustain the people of God and to guide them in the way of salvation in cooperation with the priests and deacons who share his ministry". With the looks of it, the only "cooperation" that he is having with his presbyters is how to cover-up, to the detriment of the Church, each others sins.
I would not be surprised to find out that Bishop Villegas himself is keeping an under-age girlfriend, according to the local rumors circulating in Balanga.
Were we not surprised when Aries Rufo reported that the great Crisostomo Yalung of Antipolo was found to have fathered a child? Who would have thought that Yalung who was "feared by priests & respected by seminarians" would be guilty of the very same sin that made him banish not a few priests to far-flung provinces?
Crisostomo Yalung, "the feared one". Socrates Villegas, "the benevolent dictator". They may have more similarities than what meets the eye.
Benedict XVI expressed his "deep shame" on the sex abuse scandal and promised "to do what is possible so this cannot happen again in the future." Do we need to Pope to visit us before the local Church acts on this?
Fr. Corvera admits that he has "taken some of their (altar servers') innocence and have shattered their pure souls forever". There are not a few cases of sexual assaults done by priests on women, men, and lads as indicated by a study by LIKHAAN. Fr. Corvera's unique case is however the first of its kind since he has publicly confessed and admitted his immoral acts. May this "whistle" wake our Church up from the ecclesiastical slumber she has been under for more than 4 centuries.
As proven in previous cases, the Church hierarchy shall shut this issue up in a sealed box and thrown into the sea. I shall not be surprised if Fr. Corvera "vanishes" from Bataan, or "has vanished" from Bataan (whichever scenario shall be more convenient with the hierarchy) a "long time ago."
But Benedict XVI, in his trip to the US did not reason the Church out by invoking that the abuses occured "a long time ago". He, rather, admitted the sin, begged for forgiveness, and exhorted the US bishops, and the whole Church that "it is more important to have good priests than many priests" and that "everything possible (must be done) to heal this wound."
This, I believe, is what the Philippine Church needs to do; to admit to the sin rather than hide under their soutanes, beg for forgiveness from those who were assaulted and from the Church at large, and to act on this cancer by not transfering erring priests from one parish to another.
Reverend Father Everett Magdalino Corvera's Blog:
http://everett_ corvera.blogs. friendster. com/lord_ forgive_me/
Reverend Father Everett Magdalino Corvera's MySpace Account:
http://profile. myspace.com/ index.cfm? fuseaction= user.viewprofile&friendid=88376198
Reverend Father Everett Magdalino Corvera's Public Admission:
http://www.pinoyexc hange.com/ forums/showthrea d.php?referrerid =144589&t=339548
[1] Address of Pope Benedict XVI to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) last April 16, 2008
[2] http://everett_ corvera.blogs. friendster. com/lord_ forgive_me/
[3] Congregation for Catholic Education, A memorandum to Bishops seeking advice in matters concerning homosexuality & candidates for admission to Seminary (9 July 1985); Congregation for Divine Worship & the Discipline of the Sacraments, Letter (16 May 2002): Notitiae 38 (2002), 586.
[4] Address of Pope Benedict XVI to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) last April 16, 2008
Last April 16, Benedict XVI addressed the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) & touched on a number of issues, in particular, the sex abuse scandal that rocked the local American Church during the last years of the pontificate of John Paul II.
In the said address, Benedict shared the sentiments of Cardinal Francis George, USCCB president, that the scandal caused "enormous pain to communities whose clerics have betrayed their priestly obligations & duties by such gravely immoral behavior".[1]
Though addressed to the American Bishops, the words of the Pontiff are for all Catholic Bishops Conferences, & in particular, to the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines.
I would like to bring to your attention a particular case of a self-confessed phedophile priest who hails from the diocese of Butuan but is now connected with the diocese of Bataan; Father Everett Magdalino Corvera.
According to his blog entitled Lord forgive me[2], "the Catholic Church is nothing more than a nesting ground for homosexuality in its most obscene forms. I've been preyed upon, the innocent & idolizing victim, & now I seek my prey."
He admits to having entered the priesthood with the sole purpose of being accepted by high society "regardless of appearance & intellect"; of thinking about the things his honorarium from performing the sacraments could buy; of being molested & sodomized by two priests on separate & repeated occasions while he was still in the seminary, & of having sex "with nuns, married women, non-Christians, & men"; particularly his altar boys.
This is a localized case of the American sex scandal that rocked the already shaky hierarachy of values of the United States.
His style is no different with his American colleagues; he "looks for depressed & bothered women since it is so easy to start conversations with them & just use God & pretend to pity them. Upon earning their trust, they become vulnerable to him & its so easy to manipulate them into having sex."
Is the Dean of the Loyola School of Theology, Fr. Felipe Fruto Ll Ramirez, SJ aware that one of his students was a victim of sexual molestation?
Is the Moral-Pastoral Cluster Head of the LST, Fr. Eric Marcelo Genilo, SJ aware that an alumnus of the Graduate Course on Pastoral Ministry is doing exactly the opposite of what was taught to him?
Was Bishop Juan de Dios Pueblos of Butuan aware that he ordained a man with homosexual tendencies to the order of priesthood in spite of a 1985 order from Rome that the Church "cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practise homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called 'gay culture'"[3]?
Is Bishop Socrates Villegas of Bataan aware of the sexual activities of his priest? If yes, why then did he emulate the example of the American bishops by simply transferring the erring priest from one parish to another, thus putting in grave danger the women, men, & boys of Fr. Corvera's new parish? Benedict XV considers the American sex abuse scandal as having been "very badly handled"[4].
On a side-note, this seems to be the policy of Bishop Villegas when he simply transferred Fr.'s Abraham Pantig & Mario Margallo from one parish to another despite them having impregnated minors & married women.
Is Bishop Villegas too confident with his episcopal office and reputation that he is the protegee of Jaime Sin that he has now started to show his true color of being a wolf under sheep's clothing? During his consecration as bishop, he promised to be "a devoted Father & sustain the people of God and to guide them in the way of salvation in cooperation with the priests and deacons who share his ministry". With the looks of it, the only "cooperation" that he is having with his presbyters is how to cover-up, to the detriment of the Church, each others sins.
I would not be surprised to find out that Bishop Villegas himself is keeping an under-age girlfriend, according to the local rumors circulating in Balanga.
Were we not surprised when Aries Rufo reported that the great Crisostomo Yalung of Antipolo was found to have fathered a child? Who would have thought that Yalung who was "feared by priests & respected by seminarians" would be guilty of the very same sin that made him banish not a few priests to far-flung provinces?
Crisostomo Yalung, "the feared one". Socrates Villegas, "the benevolent dictator". They may have more similarities than what meets the eye.
Benedict XVI expressed his "deep shame" on the sex abuse scandal and promised "to do what is possible so this cannot happen again in the future." Do we need to Pope to visit us before the local Church acts on this?
Fr. Corvera admits that he has "taken some of their (altar servers') innocence and have shattered their pure souls forever". There are not a few cases of sexual assaults done by priests on women, men, and lads as indicated by a study by LIKHAAN. Fr. Corvera's unique case is however the first of its kind since he has publicly confessed and admitted his immoral acts. May this "whistle" wake our Church up from the ecclesiastical slumber she has been under for more than 4 centuries.
As proven in previous cases, the Church hierarchy shall shut this issue up in a sealed box and thrown into the sea. I shall not be surprised if Fr. Corvera "vanishes" from Bataan, or "has vanished" from Bataan (whichever scenario shall be more convenient with the hierarchy) a "long time ago."
But Benedict XVI, in his trip to the US did not reason the Church out by invoking that the abuses occured "a long time ago". He, rather, admitted the sin, begged for forgiveness, and exhorted the US bishops, and the whole Church that "it is more important to have good priests than many priests" and that "everything possible (must be done) to heal this wound."
This, I believe, is what the Philippine Church needs to do; to admit to the sin rather than hide under their soutanes, beg for forgiveness from those who were assaulted and from the Church at large, and to act on this cancer by not transfering erring priests from one parish to another.
Reverend Father Everett Magdalino Corvera's Blog:
http://everett_ corvera.blogs. friendster. com/lord_ forgive_me/
Reverend Father Everett Magdalino Corvera's MySpace Account:
http://profile. myspace.com/ index.cfm? fuseaction= user.viewprofile&friendid=88376198
Reverend Father Everett Magdalino Corvera's Public Admission:
http://www.pinoyexc hange.com/ forums/showthrea d.php?referrerid =144589&t=339548
[1] Address of Pope Benedict XVI to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) last April 16, 2008
[2] http://everett_ corvera.blogs. friendster. com/lord_ forgive_me/
[3] Congregation for Catholic Education, A memorandum to Bishops seeking advice in matters concerning homosexuality & candidates for admission to Seminary (9 July 1985); Congregation for Divine Worship & the Discipline of the Sacraments, Letter (16 May 2002): Notitiae 38 (2002), 586.
[4] Address of Pope Benedict XVI to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) last April 16, 2008
I am a concerned citizen of Balanga, Bataan. I am active in the youth's activities of the diocese. I am submitting this picture (follow the link below) that I grabbed from Fr. Everett Corvera's friendster account, so he must have taken it. 2 days after, his accounts in friendster and all the pinoyexchange.com threads he had written miraculously disappeared. I am sure it is Bishop Soc's "Holy hands" at work here again, since it is public knowledge that Fr. Corvera was his favored one. He is not in Bataan anymore, and the members of the clergy refuse to give us any information as to his whereabouts.
http://picasaweb.google.com/ibrasalapudin/SocVillegas
What can we do to bring this out in the open?
Bing,
It's out in the open because all this info comes from the public session at the Senate when the principal players testified, not only Sgt. Doble, but even those Senators who went to the scene, like Serge Osmena.
Text Brigade AGAINST Bishop Socrates Villegas:
_____________________
"Then He summoned His twelve disciples...The name of the twelve apostles are these...and Judas Iscariot who betrayed him." -Matthew 10:14-
Even in the College of Bishops, there is a TRAITOR
Please send to Bishop Soc Villegas at 09178954565
Text Brigade AGAINST Bishop Socrates Villegas:
_____________________
"Then He summoned His twelve disciples...The name of the twelve apostles are these...and Judas Iscariot who betrayed him." -Matthew 10:14-
Even in the College of Bishops, there is a TRAITOR
Please send to Bishop Soc Villegas at 09178954565
TO NAME A FEW:
Rev. Fr. Magdalino Everett Corvera [http://everettcorvera.blogspot.com] molests dozens of male AND female minors in his room at the Cathedral House during his stint in Bataan.
Rev. Fr. Abraham Pantig impregnates a young lady.
Rev. Fr. Mario Margallo has a FuBu [Fuck Buddy] who is a spinster, impregnated a MINOR [and had the child aborted], AND has sexually abused a minor.
The bishop of the diocese himself. Rt. Rev. Msgr. Socrates Villegas is GAY, having been found in bed with a man [while he was still in Manila], keeping male pornography in his EDSA Shrine Office.
Now that he is in Bataan, his pastime is molesting young ladies in his office in the Cathedral House.
And the CBCP expects us to 'reform the government'? B*LLSH*T!
Contact and confront Msgr. Villegas in 09209854565 and 09178954565!
TO NAME A FEW:
Rev. Fr. Magdalino Everett Corvera [http://everettcorvera.blogspot.com] molests dozens of male AND female minors in his room at the Cathedral House during his stint in Bataan.
Rev. Fr. Abraham Pantig impregnates a young lady.
Rev. Fr. Mario Margallo has a FuBu [Fuck Buddy] who is a spinster, impregnated a MINOR [and had the child aborted], AND has sexually abused a minor.
The bishop of the diocese himself. Rt. Rev. Msgr. Socrates Villegas is GAY, having been found in bed with a man [while he was still in Manila], keeping male pornography in his EDSA Shrine Office.
Now that he is in Bataan, his pastime is molesting young ladies in his office in the Cathedral House.
And the CBCP expects us to 'reform the government'? B*LLSH*T!
Contact and confront Msgr. Villegas in 09209854565 and 09178954565!
TO NAME A FEW:
Rev. Fr. Magdalino Everett Corvera [http://everettcorvera.blogspot.com] molests dozens of male AND female minors in his room at the Cathedral House during his stint in Bataan.
Rev. Fr. Abraham Pantig impregnates a young lady.
Rev. Fr. Mario Margallo has a FuBu [Fuck Buddy] who is a spinster, impregnated a MINOR [and had the child aborted], AND has sexually abused a minor.
The bishop of the diocese himself. Rt. Rev. Msgr. Socrates Villegas is GAY, having been found in bed with a man [while he was still in Manila], keeping male pornography in his EDSA Shrine Office.
Now that he is in Bataan, his pastime is molesting young ladies in his office in the Cathedral House.
And the CBCP expects us to 'reform the government'? B*LLSH*T!
Contact and confront Msgr. Villegas in 09209854565 and 09178954565!
please stop making accusations against Bishop Soc and other clergy! hindi po totoo ang lahat ng ito!
To Bing Ramos and Jay: How can you both be sure of your respective takes on the doings (SHOCKING, to say the least, ABOMINABLE, to say the most) of the clergy (Bing, you named them, plus the bishop) and the bishop (described as holy, meek and angelic by his "EDSA family")? These are vewry serious accusations and they muct be substantiated...Bing, have you confronted the bishop through his mobile phone?..What will that do, anyway? He could simply just turn off or switch off...how about his parishioners? They must be an awful lot too for tolerating such sins!!! huh, unbelievably stupid! yet alarming! disgusting too!
Correction please, I am Anonymous who posted a comment a while ago. it is erroneously dated December 01, 2008. I posted it at 2:47 pm today February 01, 2009.
My other comment now:
Bing, if the good bishop with holy hands is gay as you said in your previous post, why do you say that now he is molesting young ladies as a pastime in his Cathedral House office...tsktsktsk...these clergy must be having a terrible identity crisis to start with: Please ask ifhe should see a psychiatrist before he burns the whole Cathedral down...kawawa talaga his flock...if all these are true, why are they so powerless to speak out against these diabolic happenings right in their holy grounds?
to the anonymous commenter:
bakit nga ba ang mga tao kasiyahan na nila ang paninira? at hindiko maintindihan, kung pano sila nagiging masaya habang may mga taong apektado sa ginagawa nilang paninira!
sana tignan mo muna ang sarili mo sa salamin bago ka naniwala at magsalita ng ganyan againts our clergy. malinis ka ba?
kasi kaming mga bataeno, naniniwala kami atnakikita namin ang kabutihang looob ng kaparian ng bataan.
tama na. ang dami dami ng problema ng mundo, wag nyo na sanang dagdagan pa dahil sa kagaguhan na ipinakakalat ninyo.
sana nakakatulog pa kayo ng mahimbing dahil diyan sa mga pinagsasasabi ninyo.
hindi kayo nakakatulong.
kaya walang pag unlad ang pilipinas. ang dami kasing taong gaya niyo.
To JAY:
By the way, thank you for saying sana nakakatulog pa kayo ng mahimbing...Jay, you yourself are very judgemental:...but thank you anyway, for your concern, even if sarcastic...hahahha..you seee lahat all of us are sinners kasi..so let us just let the truth come out. and yes, i sleep well at night. i pray for you and your parish. i help your scholarship programs a lot...anonymously..kaya, Jay, PEACE man!
To JAY: and Jay, one more thing..I asked my tita what you meant by pinakakalat nyo..well please read again my first comment...I am not spreading anything..I am just commenting. Those are two different things Jay. I hope I make myself clear this time. I will be leaving again soon for US where I stay, so I really don't care about spreading anything...except love and devotion.
Im anonymous 2!
To anonymous:
Yeah you are commenting... pero mas naagravate yung doubt ng mga readers. Instead of helping, you are allowing the devil to stir your boastful mind! Dude, I hope you know what intellectual humility means!!!!
I do not believe all these lies and b*llshitness! The bishop and the clergy are all clean and are all people pursuing to be holy as they carry out their mission on earth!
To Bing Ramos:
You one crazy woman... have you ever confronted the bishop and the clergy?! Just like what anonymous had said, you are making extremely serious allegations which are very much damaging... I have been raised in Bataan who now studies in one of the catholic schools in Manila. My family, ever since I was a kid and the bishop was not Bshop soc yet, has always donated a lot of things to the church. Kaya close kami with them. I, especially, know Bishop Soc, and I can attest that your allegations are all false and are extremely impossible to happen because people pray for him a lot and have trust in him!
And if you are gonna rebutt yung situation sa states. As you can see... hindi naman perfect ang priests. They are also humans, like us! These are people imitating Jesus as they pursue holiness through the priesthood vocation... Kaya nga instead of bashing them, we must pray for them more!
Kaya, just what I have said! Its impossible because people are praying for him!
to the last anonymous commenter:
salamat bro. at least. dalawa na tayo na nagtatanggol sa ating clergy sa Bataan.
God bless bro.
:)
To anonymous 2 and Jay: What you guys are doing is really commendable: defending your clergy! Very good guys! Regarding your comment (anonymous 2) about "intellectual humility", may I also remind you that just by assuming that I don't have it is also a reflection on your arrogance for saying so insinuates thazt I have intellectual pride!!! Bro and dude, thanks a lot for "knowing" for certain that I am intellectually proud!
Anyway, the TRUTH shall set us all free, When, we know it...but if we turn a blind eye to the truth, we shall never be free for anything...let us let the truth speak for itself...
I hope to God that you both are right and Bing Ramos is proven wrong because, I love the Catholic Church. It is my heritage.
Be careful on your accusations! Your accusations are so grave that you've already pinned down these persons of God. tsk3. You all know that a number Filipino parishioners, whether you like or not, are gossipers and judgmental. Kahit dito sa parokya namin ay maraming tsismis tungkol sa kura paroko pero dahil alam naming hindi naman totoo ay hindi na namin pinapatulan. I'm sorry to say that you are among them, feasting in these issues to make news. Also, you are saying that you have pictures? Sa panahon natin ngayon, ang litrato ay pwede nang i-edit through Adobe Photoshop. Just a story for you to reflect, may isa daw manang na nangumpisal at umaming nagkakalat ng tsismis, ang sabi ng pari, kumuha ka ng manok, tanggalan mo ng balahibo at hayaan makawala. isipin mo ngayon ang ginawa mo sa manok, hinubaran mo siya ng dangal.
Thanks James Wong for defending our clergy. :)
I HAVE WORKED IN THE ARCHDIOCESE OF MANILA...AND I AM PROUD THAT THE ARCHDIOCESE HAD PRODUCED NUMEROUS DEDICATED, HOLY AND HUMBLE PRIEST... ARCHBISHOP SOC IS ONE OF THOSE PRIESTS WE ADMIRE...PLEASE DON'T MAKE A FALSE ACCUSATION.
"I HAVE WORKED IN THE ARCHDIOCESE OF MANILA...AND I AM PROUD THAT THE ARCHDIOCESE HAD PRODUCED NUMEROUS DEDICATED, HOLY AND HUMBLE PRIEST... ARCHBISHOP SOC IS ONE OF THOSE PRIESTS WE ADMIRE...PLEASE DON'T MAKE A FALSE ACCUSATION."
- Salamat po!
Sana tumigil na ang mga taong mahilig manira sa kaparian. :)
jay
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