tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post8369448087731085826..comments2023-10-20T21:46:49.945+08:00Comments on Philippine Commentary: The Catholic Umma On the Move...and the Cuckold CongressDeany Bocobohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-12662177089962547772008-02-23T08:24:00.000+08:002008-02-23T08:24:00.000+08:00Use the informal institution of PP to make our for...<I>Use the informal institution of PP to make our formal institutions work.</I><BR/><BR/>That's how it often works in older democracies. PP as in nationwide strikes. Powerful heads have fallen too.HILLBLOGGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05977843513566589811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-38183130537156940642008-02-22T16:44:00.000+08:002008-02-22T16:44:00.000+08:00Right on, MLQ3. We can direct PP towards Congress ...Right on, MLQ3. We can direct PP towards Congress as well as Malacanang. A proper resignation or impeachment.<BR/><BR/>Come to think of it, that's not ironic at all. Use the informal institution of PP to make our formal institutions work.Jegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11806891595153451306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-35327145481240645612008-02-22T16:16:00.000+08:002008-02-22T16:16:00.000+08:00the irony is this: it is the threat of people powe...the irony is this: it is the threat of people power that might foster a proper impeachment.mlq3https://www.blogger.com/profile/07311749590012410086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-76469271566935548552008-02-22T14:28:00.000+08:002008-02-22T14:28:00.000+08:00http://youtube.com/watch?v=_Jq4q1S7SjQhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=_Jq4q1S7SjQAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-48265012886909271472008-02-22T03:58:00.000+08:002008-02-22T03:58:00.000+08:00If people power will succeed in Manila, I think Gl...If people power will succeed in Manila, I think Gloria will make her last stand on Cebu, and declare a breakaway province. Negros, with Gonzales influence, will join Cebu. There will be negotiations and stalemate. Mindanao has to choose., Manila, Cebu, or Breakaway on its own. However being visayan speaking area it will join cebu.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-55410851631411027232008-02-21T13:06:00.000+08:002008-02-21T13:06:00.000+08:00The meaning of people power is that Filipinos are ...The meaning of people power is that Filipinos are no longer a stupid flock of sheep, blindly trusting the government as a benevolent shepherd. The Erap era has made us realize government's potential to be a vast criminal enterprise. Distrust of government is at an all-time high. All its institutions are damaged. This is why the new administration will not be enjoying much of a honeymoon. The cycle of new leader to disenchantment to replacement by people power, could be devastatingly foreshortened and repeated, if government leaders fail in delivering on their promises. Government's fate lies more in performance and less in personality, a warning to the ebullient new administration.john marzanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08036820667908976630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-57246617191787334942008-02-21T13:03:00.000+08:002008-02-21T13:03:00.000+08:00oh okay. I just wished that you were that Voice of...oh okay. I just wished that you were that Voice of Reason back in 2001.john marzanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08036820667908976630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-16203971219333754982008-02-21T12:11:00.000+08:002008-02-21T12:11:00.000+08:00John,I think that is too moralistic an approach. ...John,<BR/>I think that is too moralistic an approach. Our concern should be systemic. We should expect to have evil people in government. It is unrealistic to constantly demand SAINTS be in govt. To expect it is the folly of the people power folks.<BR/><BR/>Given that evil people WILL get into govt, what are the institutional checks and balances we should establish so that the inevitably larger number of GOOD people in govt will be empowered to weed out the bad apples. <BR/><BR/>Evil people in govt is like cancer or heart disease. They are inevitable. But RADICAL SURGERY is not the only response.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-40950510826530453072008-02-21T11:24:00.000+08:002008-02-21T11:24:00.000+08:00Ok a different analogy. people power is like a gen...<I>Ok a different analogy. people power is like a genie. You gotta keep him in the bottle most of the time, else you use up all your wishes. I think we already used 2 out of 3. <B>Better save the last one for maybe the next Marcos? Oops is she already worse?</B></I><BR/><BR/>Or the Next Erap.<BR/><BR/>Question is: Is she worse than the last guy who got people powered in 2001?<BR/><BR/>who abused their power more and corrupted the system more? erap or gma?john marzanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08036820667908976630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-28466079400907913962008-02-21T11:21:00.000+08:002008-02-21T11:21:00.000+08:00This comment has been removed by the author.john marzanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08036820667908976630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-40884358350688468472008-02-21T05:56:00.000+08:002008-02-21T05:56:00.000+08:00anon,yes, I think she can be impeached. mainly bec...anon,<BR/>yes, I think she can be impeached. mainly because of what you said that the people are being pushed to a corner. In other words, you are also right, there won't be another people power, but there is enough now for an impeachment. Pressure should be applied on Congress for an impeachment. That's where we have all failed. That's where we must return to take the turn we missed in Jan 2001.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-7185892503875558582008-02-21T05:10:00.000+08:002008-02-21T05:10:00.000+08:00Given your argument that the Supreme Court is wron...Given your argument that the Supreme Court is wrong, what do you think should be done?<BR/><BR/>Next, do you really think that the President can be impeached?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-80358666584173790342008-02-21T02:13:00.000+08:002008-02-21T02:13:00.000+08:00The real problem is Gloria M. Arroyo. Kick her out...The real problem is Gloria M. Arroyo. Kick her out and, with time, things will come back to their proper places.<BR/><BR/>Right now you can all blame pretty much everything to no avail. Gloria and her goon squad can violate anything to their advantage - at will. <BR/><BR/>I don't think there will be another Pipol power. Unfortunately, the people are being forced into a corner without any choice. The crater you have been looking for at Glorieta might show somewhere else, maybe by the Pasig river.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-51398876588106980212008-02-21T00:09:00.000+08:002008-02-21T00:09:00.000+08:00Angela,Ok a different analogy. people power is lik...Angela,<BR/>Ok a different analogy. people power is like a genie. You gotta keep him in the bottle most of the time, else you use up all your wishes. I think we already used 2 out of 3. Better save the last one for maybe the next Marcos? Oops is she already worse?Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-27491016009633376592008-02-20T23:56:00.000+08:002008-02-20T23:56:00.000+08:00The problem is that Gloriana has found ways to sub...The problem is that Gloriana has found ways to subvert people power. I would concede that the constitution may recognize People Power as a principle and THAT this should be execised in representative democracy. But what has happened is that this is short cut in changing duly elected governments.<BR/><BR/>In a cabinet system, it is Parliament that changes elected governments but despite how despicable MPs can be, Parliament is not a mob and MPs have accountability.<BR/><BR/>The so called "Parliament of the Streets" has very little accountability. Who are these Street parliamentarians acoountable to?<BR/><BR/>Thus the tempation to recourse to military power grabs as supported by Dodong Nemenzo.Too bad the symbol of this extra constitutional means is Trillanes. But Trillanes now a Senator is accountable to his electorate.<BR/><BR/>Despite how odious Gloria Macapagal Arroyo and her cabinet is they are still accountable to the electorate.<BR/><BR/>To whom is People Power accountable? Since we never got to answer that question we have Gloria Macapagal Arroyo.Ben Vallejohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02963290696331676531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-53895795158492444522008-02-20T23:39:00.000+08:002008-02-20T23:39:00.000+08:00hmmm. parang there's no putting the genie back in ...hmmm. parang there's no putting the genie back in the lamp. and parang it's not meant to be put back. but yes used more creatively and constructively to address the many concerns.stuart-santiagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01684291861341131227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-44762313020693814182008-02-20T22:11:00.000+08:002008-02-20T22:11:00.000+08:00She needs to be impeached though. It's the only ac...<I>She needs to be impeached though. It's the only acceptable way to me.</I><BR/><BR/>this is total BS. if george bush rigged the elections in 2000 like Arroyo did in 2004, forget impeachment. forget the "peaceful" people power. <BR/><BR/>how about riots? how about civil war?john marzanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08036820667908976630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-41498650708628460912008-02-20T22:04:00.000+08:002008-02-20T22:04:00.000+08:00it's not her that would die by people power. It's ...<I>it's not her that would die by people power. It's the whole concept of constitutional government. </I><BR/><BR/>...it was half dead on edsa dos. it died in 2004.<BR/><BR/><I>people power is a DRUG ADDICTION. Sure one more hit. One more syringe full of liberation from corruption. Then what? Eight years of Noli de Castro?</I> <BR/><BR/>if he's elected, no problem. <BR/><BR/>besides, i heard <A HREF="http://politicaljunkie.blogspot.com/2007/10/whos-afraid-of-noli-de-castro.html#c5087622452558136563" REL="nofollow">from somewhere</A> that noli wants to return to mass media raw. <BR/><BR/>isa pa, what makes you think noli will not run as a successor of Arroyo after she finishes her term in 2010?john marzanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08036820667908976630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-9809725818059407372008-02-20T20:28:00.000+08:002008-02-20T20:28:00.000+08:00john,it's not her that would die by people power. ...john,<BR/>it's not her that would die by people power. It's the whole concept of constitutional government. people power is a DRUG ADDICTION. Sure one more hit. One more syringe full of liberation from corruption. Then what? Eight years of Noli de Castro?Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-7359300937491808642008-02-20T20:24:00.000+08:002008-02-20T20:24:00.000+08:00anon,Estrada's term expired. He's done.It's NOT ab...anon,<BR/><BR/>Estrada's term expired. He's done.<BR/>It's NOT about Estrada. It's about the Supreme Court and the separation of powers. It is naive and wrong to think that the Supreme Court can meddle in ANYTHING. The truth is they can meddle in ALMOST anything, but not cases of impeachment. That is where they breached separation of powers in so grievous a way, I claim it is what killed the checks and balances. Erap should have sued Davide not Gloria. It is simply that the Supreme Court has ZERO jurisdiction in all cases of impeachment. The Court cannot even do judicial review of an impeachment case. Even Executive Clemency cannot touch an impeachment conviction! <BR/><BR/>What Davide did was inconceivable in a Chief Justice. He's the real villain. Of course if America has its 9/11, we have our 4/11.<BR/><BR/>She needs to be impeached though. It's the only acceptable way to me.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-78436847766489046282008-02-20T20:19:00.000+08:002008-02-20T20:19:00.000+08:00Now they wonder why the PEOPLE won't help them get...<I>Now they wonder why the PEOPLE won't help them get into POWER. Again.</I><BR/><BR/>i don't know, dean. the masa once tried to oust arroyo via edsa tres, but it failed, not because it lacked PEOPLE, but because the MILITARY component was missing, unlike in ONE and DOS.<BR/><BR/>besides, if anybody <I>deserves</I> to be people powered, it's her. you live by the sword, you die by the sword.john marzanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08036820667908976630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-10437374325138352442008-02-20T20:07:00.000+08:002008-02-20T20:07:00.000+08:00But Estrada was found guilty, was pardoned, and ac...But Estrada was found guilty, was pardoned, and accepted the pardon. If we reverse Estrada v. Arroyo, does this mean that Estrada should return as President and that we should reverse the guilty verdict? Or does "reverse" mean making sure that the removal of a President through protests does not happen again? If so, wouldn't that involve greater police powers? And if it is certain that Congress will never be able to hold high government officials accountable, and if that is what is happening right now, then isn't your solution the same as what the current administration wants?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-33063196694160789372008-02-20T19:53:00.000+08:002008-02-20T19:53:00.000+08:00Angela,Peaceful People Power would be the LEGISLAT...Angela,<BR/><BR/>Peaceful People Power would be the LEGISLATIVE and POLITICAL process in a direct democracy.<BR/><BR/>We have a representative democracy, which is a very different thing.<BR/><BR/>People power is to a representative democracy what gasoline would be like in a cigarette lighter. It gets the cig lit, along with our face.<BR/><BR/>Yes, indeed I oppose People Power because it makes insurgents of us all and prevents the slow uptake of the processes that are required to make a representative system work. It is elitist not because the elites participate, but because minor fractions of the entire population are actually involved. Even a million is only about 1% of the people, about equal to the vote of Eddie Gil in 1998, yet that's more than ever was at Edsa Dos.<BR/><BR/>How in the world did they overrule the will of the 12 million who voted for Erap.<BR/><BR/>We were RIGHT to oppose Erap and seek an end to his rule. But Edsa Dos was not FAIR.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes we must abide being prevented from doing the right thing, if only to avoid being UNFAIR. Because we can be wrong and yet be just, but we cannot be just and be unfair as well. <BR/><BR/>Erap was going to be acquitted. Most Filipinos saw that. Yet he was overthrown by the few, who were right, but were unfair in the means they employed to achieve the right.<BR/><BR/>Now they wonder why the PEOPLE won't help them get into POWER. Again.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-9755752083119373692008-02-20T18:36:00.000+08:002008-02-20T18:36:00.000+08:00hey djb, manolo says you oppose people power? par...hey djb, manolo says you oppose people power? parang that's not how i read you. you're against the way the arroyos used people power in edsa dos, as well as the the way the davide supreme court handled people power... that doesn't mean you oppose people power, do you? <BR/><BR/>btw, oo nga, no, the supreme court has pre-empted the senate on impeachment cases. another job for people power. maybe we should make a to-do list of priorities. at the very least, we can vote for 2010 candidates who will support such changes.stuart-santiagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01684291861341131227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-22503108823819820252008-02-20T15:05:00.000+08:002008-02-20T15:05:00.000+08:00The defective 1987 Constitution is the really the ...<I>The defective 1987 Constitution is the really the main reason why our institutions have been mangled.</I><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://politicaljunkie.blogspot.com/2006/01/how-and-when-is-impeachment-initiated.html" REL="nofollow">:rolleyes:</A> <BR/><BR/><I>People Power as enshrined in this constitution is the biggest defect.</I><BR/><BR/>if that is true, then why is this administration preventing those opposed to her from exercising the same right that she used to oust erap? why the CPR/BP 880 in mendiola?john marzanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08036820667908976630noreply@blogger.com