tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post6200376333066201339..comments2023-10-20T21:46:49.945+08:00Comments on Philippine Commentary: BREAKING NEWS: Jose Maria Sison Arrested by Dutch Govt for MurderDeany Bocobohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-46501003174973422402007-08-31T20:08:00.000+08:002007-08-31T20:08:00.000+08:00therein lies the danger of labelling and generaliz...therein lies the danger of labelling and generalizations.<BR/><BR/>you could be wrong.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038221135994424584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-20822653679363084182007-08-31T19:44:00.000+08:002007-08-31T19:44:00.000+08:00okay icnatabio, i guess you aren't a real anarchis...okay icnatabio, <BR/>i guess you aren't a real anarchist, but a diletante (another french word)!Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-91960009580027346832007-08-31T19:25:00.000+08:002007-08-31T19:25:00.000+08:00djb,you also said:You are calling for violent mean...djb,<BR/><BR/>you also said:<BR/><BR/>You are calling for violent means to overthrow the government without any clear notion of what you want to replace it with.<BR/><BR/>i say:<BR/><BR/>you mean the bogus regime of gloria arroyo?<BR/><BR/>yes, i am for overthrowing it by any means, violent or not.<BR/><BR/>and i want to replace it with a regime of justice, honesty and integrity.<BR/><BR/>simple, good old-fashioned desires huh?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038221135994424584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-58406571993307903692007-08-31T19:05:00.000+08:002007-08-31T19:05:00.000+08:00djb,further, you said:Anarchism is dangerous if th...djb,<BR/><BR/>further, you said:<BR/><BR/>Anarchism is dangerous if the NPA takes up your call, for you would remove all the restraints that objectives, goals and ends (ideology) places upon the deadly and violent means they already employ.<BR/><BR/>I say:<BR/><BR/>hahaha, you seem paranoid with this humble idea.<BR/><BR/>what i am suggesting is for the NPA to transform itself and be relevant in the dynamics of Philippine politics. i symphatize with our people's struggle to free themselves from the clutches of economic oppression by our ruling class who betrayed them wholesale and big time.<BR/><BR/>it's just a fact of life in this part of our world mr. bocobo that we have until today the oppressed and the oppressors so do not wonder if the NPA (however you belittle their number) continue to exist.<BR/><BR/>our people's right to pursue freedom and justice is an ideology in and by itself.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038221135994424584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-21444619128125858362007-08-31T18:34:00.000+08:002007-08-31T18:34:00.000+08:00djb,you also said:I suspect that my first inkling ...djb,<BR/><BR/>you also said:<BR/><BR/>I suspect that my first inkling was right: you are an Anarchist and don't believe in any ideology, not even democracy.<BR/><BR/>i say:<BR/><BR/>your suspicion is wrong.<BR/>so easy to make labellings.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038221135994424584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-4402163892957350272007-08-31T18:30:00.000+08:002007-08-31T18:30:00.000+08:00Howdy? Yep long time no see. Yep, they invented lo...Howdy? Yep long time no see. <BR/><BR/>Yep, they invented lots of words that we now use in the English language. <BR/><BR/>Re anarchisme: Yep but twas the Spanish commies who perfected it - check your communist history (way back during your KM days in La Salle), you will find La Pasionnara's doctrine, (the female Spanish communist leader who bolted to Russia after failing to beat Generalissimo Franco) was based on anarchy.<BR/><BR/>Twas also the French who gifted the American people with the statue of liberty now standing in NY's Liberty Island, if you care to remember.MBWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15051130751172337198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-17656690622889230512007-08-31T18:29:00.000+08:002007-08-31T18:29:00.000+08:00djb,you said:If you reject the "communist ideologi...djb,<BR/><BR/>you said:<BR/><BR/>If you reject the "communist ideological bull" then you are left with Democracy.<BR/><BR/>i say:<BR/><BR/>do you really think we have a democracy, Mr. Bocobo?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038221135994424584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-72124622928140390082007-08-31T18:21:00.000+08:002007-08-31T18:21:00.000+08:00djb,you said:for there cannot possibly be a more i...djb,<BR/><BR/>you said:<BR/><BR/>for there cannot possibly be a more ideologically besotted people than the French.<BR/><BR/>i say:<BR/><BR/>it's so very fine by me.<BR/>i mean, what can be a more coherent ideology than that which seeks to exalt life as the french are very well known for. <BR/><BR/>even then, did they not produced such notable thinkers like Voltaire and Rousseau?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038221135994424584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-38270877393661975882007-08-31T17:44:00.000+08:002007-08-31T17:44:00.000+08:00mbw,Well howdy, Ma'm. Long time no see. Isnt anarc...mbw,<BR/>Well howdy, Ma'm. Long time no see. Isnt <I>anarchisme</I> a French word?Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-53615256946012684202007-08-31T17:41:00.000+08:002007-08-31T17:41:00.000+08:00Ooops... You will realize that NOT everything your...Ooops... You will realize that NOT everything your neocon indoctrinators said are true.MBWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15051130751172337198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-38068891539099929762007-08-31T17:40:00.000+08:002007-08-31T17:40:00.000+08:00Btw, even the French are surprised that les amerlo...Btw, even the French are surprised that les amerloques have termed good old frites as 'French fries'!<BR/><BR/>Learn a bit more about the world Dean. Travel a bit, discover places, people - the world is a big place and not limited to New Jersey and Metro Manila. You will realize that everything your neocon indoctrinators said are true.MBWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15051130751172337198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-58330535146128883082007-08-31T17:37:00.000+08:002007-08-31T17:37:00.000+08:00Whoever indoctrinated you with that line that the ...Whoever indoctrinated you with that line that the French do things sans morality is frankly making fun of you Dean.<BR/><BR/>And coming from someone like you who once admitted that you know next to nothing about the French except perhaps for French fries (which in reality aren't even supposed to be termed French fries - Belgians are up in arms coz of the spin that fries are French - heh), I can very well see how you could easily be hoodwinked.<BR/><BR/>Heh!MBWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15051130751172337198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-76310635851942771232007-08-30T21:31:00.000+08:002007-08-30T21:31:00.000+08:00If you reject the "communist ideological bull" the...If you reject the "communist ideological bull" then you are left with Democracy.<BR/><BR/>But then again, I suspect that my first inkling was right: you are an Anarchist and don't believe in any ideology, not even democracy.<BR/><BR/>Anarchism is dangerous if the NPA takes up your call, for you would remove all the restraints that objectives, goals and ends (ideology) places upon the deadly and violent means they already employ.<BR/><BR/>You are calling for violent means to overthrow the government without any clear notion of what you want to replace it with.<BR/><BR/>Yet I know about anarchists. They only take the position that NO ideology is necessary because that allows them to do as they please.<BR/><BR/>Anarchists are far more immoral than communists.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-2522583363040527022007-08-30T20:57:00.000+08:002007-08-30T20:57:00.000+08:00djb,there may not be a massive exodus to the hills...djb,<BR/><BR/>there may not be a massive exodus to the hills yet but your numbers refer to the bonafide members not their symphatizers who, i opine, will increase and revert to active membership once the NPA mutates into a genuine people's struggle for justice from economic oppression sans the Communist ideological bull.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038221135994424584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-88004814833455288352007-08-30T20:48:00.000+08:002007-08-30T20:48:00.000+08:00djb,you said:Even in the CPP only a very miniscule...djb,<BR/><BR/>you said:<BR/><BR/>Even in the CPP only a very miniscule fraction actually have an ideology. the rest are just soldati to the capos di tutti capi.<BR/><BR/>i say:<BR/><BR/>that's the point.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038221135994424584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-41563987587489787502007-08-30T20:28:00.000+08:002007-08-30T20:28:00.000+08:00icnatabio,This does not seem to be factual:you do ...icnatabio,<BR/>This does not seem to be factual:<BR/><BR/><B><BR/>you do not need a foreign hatched communist ideology to foment such a rebellion since people are already taking to the hills not so much because they are enamored by Karl Marx's romanticism.</B><BR/><BR/>The last time I checked, the NPA was 7000 strong. At its peak it was 20000 strong (before they wiped each other out in the killing fields of the eighties.)<BR/><BR/>Out of a population of 90 million (2007) those numbers do not add up to "the people are already taking to the hills." <BR/><BR/>The people are not in rebellion, just a bunch of ex professors and some student activists who recruit poor desperate farmers and turn them into extortion mafia. Even in the CPP only a very miniscule fraction actually have an ideology. the rest are just soldati to the capos di tutti capi.<BR/><BR/>As for the French doing things sans ideology, perhaps what you really mean is the French do things sans MORALITY, for there cannot possibly be a more ideologically besotted people than the French. Sacre bleu!Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-76350095455827312272007-08-30T19:30:00.000+08:002007-08-30T19:30:00.000+08:00djb,yes i think some clarification is in order. Wh...djb,<BR/><BR/>yes i think some clarification is in order. What i said was, given the severe economio alienation and injustice suffered by a large segment of the population, a rebellion based on that alienation is inevitable, even necessary, to rectify the anomaly.<BR/><BR/>you do not need a foreign hatched communist ideology to foment such a rebellion since people are already taking to the hills not so much because they are enamored by Karl Marx's romanticism.<BR/><BR/>in my opinion, the sooner the NPA tears down their banner of communist ideology which has already been widely discredited, the more will there be people's support and sympathy for the movement.<BR/><BR/>it's the only way they can be relevant.<BR/><BR/>or for that matter, survive.<BR/><BR/>will such a rebellion succeed?<BR/><BR/>i believe it could.<BR/><BR/>the french people have done it sans any formal ideology. they've done it with nothing more than the inner longing of their souls to be free from the brutalization of their rulers, the same brutalization which our home grown ruling class are inflicting on our people.<BR/><BR/>but of course 18th century Frenchmen are different from 21st century Filipinos.<BR/><BR/>or are they?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038221135994424584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-743693298868027432007-08-30T13:58:00.000+08:002007-08-30T13:58:00.000+08:00DJ. It was an FYI. An amber light. You might ne ce...DJ. <BR/><BR/>It was an FYI. An amber light. You might ne celebrating the AFP's vindication too early. That's all. No need for you to become so defensive.<BR/><BR/>Just to remind ou there is always more than one side,manuelbuencaminohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07644763064403005323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-69061376721158175142007-08-30T06:21:00.000+08:002007-08-30T06:21:00.000+08:00MB,The Tribune is only reporting what it knows or ...MB,<BR/>The Tribune is only reporting what it knows or learned from interviews and media records.<BR/><BR/>You are <I>interpreting</I> what they have reported and concluding from it, what?<BR/><BR/>That because deguzman was under arrest, he could not have issued orders to kill possibly the person that put him in jail?<BR/><BR/>The mafia does it all the time, and the fact that we at least know of deguzman's arrest means he's not been INCOMUNICADO all this time.<BR/><BR/>Joma is halfway around the world, yet the Dutch believe he ordered the remote control killing of tabara and kintanar.<BR/><BR/>Remember that the witnesses are testifying against self-interest. That always carries a lot of weight in court. But I'm sure you'll have something to say about that.<BR/><BR/>Did I miss something? What exactly is your point about the Trib's report?Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-78891652286370834982007-08-30T00:14:00.000+08:002007-08-30T00:14:00.000+08:00On those three PNP "witnesses"Here's is a report f...On those three PNP "witnesses"<BR/><BR/>Here's is a report from the Daily Tribune<BR/><BR/>"The PNP, through Criminal Investigation and Detection Group (CIDG) chief Edgardo Doromal, the other day presented before the media the “witness,” Emerito Lipio, a self-confessed New People’s Army (NPA) guerrilla who claimed he has vital infor-mation on the abduction of Jonas.<BR/>During investigation, Lipio said he was getting orders from his leader based in Bulacan province, north of Manila, one “Delfin de Guzman.”<BR/>But it was learned that De Guzman has been in government custody since 2006.<BR/>In his testimony, Lipio said it was De Guzman who had ordered him and another NPA member, Marlon Manue, alias Ka Carlo, to conduct surveillance operations on Jonas, who was being suspected of pilfering the communist movement’s funds and passing information to the military.<BR/>De Guzman was arrested last year after he was implicated in the killing of Romulo Kintanar and Arturo Tabara, both former NPA leaders.<BR/>Records showed that he was nabbed by military agents last May 11, 2006, in his safehouse in Barangay San Mateo in Norzagaray, Bulacan.<BR/>De Guzman was even presented to the media by then military chief Gen. Generoso Senga during a press conference held at Camp Aguinaldo in Quezon City last May 22, 2006.<BR/>Senga said De Guzman had admitted he was behind the assassinations of the two communist leaders."<BR/><BR/>Either the PNP or the Tribune is lying.manuelbuencaminohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07644763064403005323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-48386488591313544132007-08-29T21:02:00.000+08:002007-08-29T21:02:00.000+08:00icnatabio,let me understand your position. you thi...icnatabio,<BR/>let me understand your position. you think a rebellion can succeed for its own sake. But do you mean NO ideology, ANY ideology, or ANOTHER ideology different from communism?Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-47785198745709931322007-08-29T20:58:00.000+08:002007-08-29T20:58:00.000+08:00like everything else, rebel movement must also fol...like everything else, rebel movement must also follow the rules of evolution.<BR/><BR/>adapt or perish. <BR/><BR/>it must evolve or it will stagnate.<BR/><BR/>its enemies are real.<BR/><BR/>and far more demonic.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038221135994424584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-51472103053536622252007-08-29T20:47:00.000+08:002007-08-29T20:47:00.000+08:00djb,hahaha, look who's sowing chaos and anarchy in...djb,<BR/><BR/>hahaha, look who's sowing chaos and anarchy in your beloved land.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038221135994424584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-48244909596576356282007-08-29T20:42:00.000+08:002007-08-29T20:42:00.000+08:00only by shedding the communist ideological hoax wi...only by shedding the communist ideological hoax will the NPA become relevant as a rebel movement. <BR/><BR/>it's this ideological baggage that's keeping them in stalemate with the army of the mafiosi and the oligarchy.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038221135994424584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-85326397020449466472007-08-29T20:39:00.000+08:002007-08-29T20:39:00.000+08:00Icnatabio,A warm welcome to you.Rebellion for rebe...Icnatabio,<BR/><BR/>A warm welcome to you.<BR/><BR/>Rebellion for rebellion's sake, eh?<BR/><BR/>I think you have to go to the Anarchist Party of the Philippines. <BR/><BR/>The CPP NPA would only send you off to Tabara, Lagman, Kintanar, et al.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.com