tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post5482498942205634283..comments2023-10-20T21:46:49.945+08:00Comments on Philippine Commentary: The Failure of Gringo, The Promise of Trillanes and Cleaning Up the Philippine MIlitaryDeany Bocobohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-32878303755016700732007-06-08T11:08:00.000+08:002007-06-08T11:08:00.000+08:00I don't really think there is much love lost betwe...I don't really think there is much love lost between Trillanes and HOnasan, whatever their relationship may have been before the Oakwood Mutiny. But the persistent rumors are that Gringo somehow doublecrossed the Magdalo during the event. The wildest of these rumors claims that he stole the money Erap had sent to help the Magdalo and bought a yacht with it instead of providing the needed "civilian component" for what was in effect a public demonstration cum press conference against graft and corruption in the military. The rumor comes from someone who claims to have been on that yacht!<BR/><BR/>What Oakwood certainly was NOT was coup attempt in the classic sense. These military officers were seasoned combat veterans. How were they supposedly going to seize power by capturing one floor of an executive apartment hotel building in Makati??<BR/><BR/>What it WAS is something the people have put Trillanes into the Senate to find out!Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-12535718413403917722007-06-08T09:20:00.000+08:002007-06-08T09:20:00.000+08:00Oh yeah, I forgot this: Secondly, wasn't Trillanes...Oh yeah, I forgot this: Secondly, wasn't Trillanes a confirmed follower and fan of Honasan? Or the latter isn't remotely, by gum, not an iota of being leftwing in that mercenary there!MBWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15051130751172337198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-57311249398863818842007-06-08T09:18:00.000+08:002007-06-08T09:18:00.000+08:00cvj,I did not hear manolo's interview with him but...cvj,<BR/><BR/>I did not hear manolo's interview with him but knowing a little about the Philippine military, its PMAers, its corps officers, I can very well believe that Trillanes is no way a leftist.<BR/><BR/>First of all, if ever, a military patterned after the Western military of which the AFP is, is more inclined to be fascist and imperialist rather than inclined to be of the hardline left wing NPA variety, far from the likes of the slipper donning communist guerilla type. <BR/><BR/>Obviously, sometimes you have black sheep in the likes of Victor Corpuz, but even him failed to totally embrace Communist dogma completely. In the end, he went back to the fold because he was disillusioned - the western military calling was stronger.<BR/><BR/>Dean's suspicion of Trillanes may have emanated from his dislike of Jamby Madrigal who has been having a "love affair" with Satur Ocampo - so Dean ain't being quite judicious there.MBWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15051130751172337198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-79223226555112128842007-06-08T04:47:00.000+08:002007-06-08T04:47:00.000+08:00If it's any comfort to you, i don't think Trillane...If it's any comfort to you, i don't think Trillanes subscribes to the Left's ideology, at least from what i can tell listening to Manolo's interview with him.<BR/><BR/>I definitely think he can become our version of Hugo Chavez, that is, a populist <B>without</B> the Socialist elements. That's probably the reason why the Left did not publicly endorse him.cvjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00327799000000108953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-76443886328532655342007-06-07T23:11:00.000+08:002007-06-07T23:11:00.000+08:00I agree with most of you. Gringo has been a disapp...I agree with most of you. Gringo has been a disappointment. Like any of the EDSA 1986 characters that include Enrile, Ramos and Corazon Aquino, Gringo has been a major letdown. In fact he has betrayed EDSA 1986 together with the characters earlier mentioned. These characters betrayed EDSA since they put their personal and family interest before the interest of the nation.<BR/> <BR/>Let's see what Trillanes can do in the Senate. Trillanes is free of the dashed hopes of EDSA 1986 and we hope would be more pragmatic and as the match of Gloria. It would be interesting to see that Gloria Macapagal Arroyo would have her nemesis in the Senate.Ben Vallejohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02963290696331676531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-44716943987645831952007-06-07T20:40:00.000+08:002007-06-07T20:40:00.000+08:00While I accept Trillanes as a suitable person to r...While I accept Trillanes as a suitable person to represent the people, I do not approve of Honasan. His military record is far from excellent. Gringo, a real mercenary has always played to the gallery. <BR/><BR/>Between the two, Trillanes exudes military decency which is absent in Gringo.HILLBLOGGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05977843513566589811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-83824884062943924302007-06-07T20:34:00.000+08:002007-06-07T20:34:00.000+08:00Never been a fan of Trillanes but I do accept that...Never been a fan of Trillanes but I do accept that his running for office is the best gauge of people's support for him or their refusal of the Arroyo reign.<BR/><BR/>My beef against him is the manner in which he wanted his grievances known, by planting bombs and explosives in a purely civilian area and techincally against civilian concerns. Overall, military dogma dictates that military missions are either to wage battle against the enemy, to defeat them as well as to protect the citizens of the republic against those enemies or Oakwood and Rustan's and the surrounding buildings of those places were densely populated by civilians who cannot/couldn't have been mistaken for his enemies. But that is all past and I believe he did the right thing by running for office - at the end of the day, it's the people who decide whether what he had tried to do, even if he failed in his calling, was acceptable to them or forgievable.<BR/><BR/>He's spent 4 years in jail without being properly convicted. I suppose that should be enough prison term served. With Philippine justice having failed to convict him for good, a 4 year imprisonment, I reckon should be long enough to satisfy any punishment requirement. He should now be allowed to go to Congress and serve under his elected term; he's been duly elected and what else is more powerful than the voice of the people.HILLBLOGGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05977843513566589811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-30867261611802063042007-06-07T18:43:00.000+08:002007-06-07T18:43:00.000+08:00I share your eagerness for Trillanes to go back to...I share your eagerness for Trillanes to go back to the Senate and start out his term explaining the Oakwood Mutiny.<BR/><BR/>I also share your hope that he doesn't turn into another Gringo.<BR/><BR/>Gringo, for far too long, has played the citizens and the politicians. Like a grown up version of my nephew. Making his playground, the entire Philippines.<BR/><BR/>I despise Gringo's lack of respect for any institution except that of his own selfish ideals.Nicholas Kisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16841848924045666372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-70942452667563958132007-06-07T12:47:00.000+08:002007-06-07T12:47:00.000+08:00punzi,both guys were in detention. talk about tria...punzi,<BR/>both guys were in detention. talk about trial by election! I think the fact that Oakwook has festered for four years means to me that it has now been resolved at the polls since the voters surely could not fail to be aware of their status, and that of the cases.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-11422752461567486382007-06-07T12:29:00.000+08:002007-06-07T12:29:00.000+08:00Personally, I think Gringo and Trillanes are "two ...Personally, I think Gringo and Trillanes are "two dirty fingers" pointed directly at the President, with Trillanes as the bigger finger of the two.<BR/><BR/>This will haunt her for the rest of her term.Punzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00759672661034283755noreply@blogger.com