tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post493369392986066447..comments2023-10-20T21:46:49.945+08:00Comments on Philippine Commentary: Darwin, Miracles, Exceptionalism, God and UsDeany Bocobohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-92130587486593284432009-12-29T01:18:37.929+08:002009-12-29T01:18:37.929+08:00No, he did not.
It's a conscious deliberate e...No, he did not.<br /><br />It's a conscious deliberate effort to accomodate God in blackshama's science. Like Kirk The Banana Guy, he accepts the fact of evolution because of overwhelming evidence but somehow just cannot let go of their god just yet. Yes, evolution is true but God has to be in there somewhere too. Silly - almost despondent - tenacity or adherence to irrational beliefs.<br /><br />What evolution has demolished is the idea of a personal, all-knowing, compassionate, omni-everything kind of God. Now people like Karen Armstrong are revising the nature or characteristic of their God to something like a fuzzy unknowable entity who sets in motion the material universe and then disappears - thus the need to discover.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-51861595506268016362009-12-28T18:01:43.029+08:002009-12-28T18:01:43.029+08:00well, since blackshama hasnt responded, i'm go...well, since blackshama hasnt responded, i'm gonna have to assume he mispoke...GabbyDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-5916646911528236062009-12-27T06:58:58.311+08:002009-12-27T06:58:58.311+08:00@ GabbyD
As for idea of God, no scientist, I thin...@ GabbyD<br /><br />As for idea of God, no scientist, I think, would claim it's a scientific concept. From what I've read, God to the non-believers, is but a philosophical concept.<br /><br />Is God detectable? I actually wanted to ask blackshama why he has to jump to (possible) scientific exploration of God's existence when scientific humans should first begin by testing the possible existence of the spirit world. If there are spirits who take no physical form, then God's existence is possible.Jesusa Bernardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13216156182443307139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-50613529199666786802009-12-27T06:55:00.906+08:002009-12-27T06:55:00.906+08:00@GabbyD,
Alright. You did write "at most&quo...@GabbyD,<br /><br />Alright. You did write "at most" so it seemed you were stretching the framework of the discussion.<br /><br />It's so obvious that it's Darwin's (biological) evolution theory we were discussing so I simply tried to make sense of why you had to emphasize the biological nature of change.Jesusa Bernardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13216156182443307139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-60421874276807562192009-12-27T06:38:25.065+08:002009-12-27T06:38:25.065+08:00@jesusa
i didnt make a seeming generalization.
t...@jesusa<br /><br />i didnt make a seeming generalization.<br /><br />there is a theory called 'evolution' that refers/begins with Darwin's theory of natural selection.<br /><br />there is a theory of the origins of the universe, subject of which is called cosmology. <br /><br />these are two separate theories, and as far as i know, there has been no systematic attempt to link them.<br /><br />now, if u are refering to the general concept of evolution, i'll grant u that. but my original question was Bshama's earlier comment about evolution answering questions about god.<br /><br />since he's a biologist, i KNOW he's talking about the theory of evolution, not cosmology. <br /><br />but fine, lets be loose with the word evolution.<br /><br />i would say that even with cosmology, knowing something about God is impossible. how can u detect God, even indirectly? does he have empirical implications? is God even a scientific idea? <br /><br />my impression is the answer to all these is no. but if u've read anything about it, please do share.GabbyDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-91826552433545201662009-12-26T22:00:54.741+08:002009-12-26T22:00:54.741+08:00Hi Anonymous.
We're aware of that--I wrote &q...Hi Anonymous.<br /><br />We're aware of that--I wrote "Evolution theories" although I should have added 'separately.'<br /><br />My point was to address GabbyD's seeming generalization that evolution is confined to explaining the biological (his words: <em>"<strong>at most</strong>, evolution can tell us how biological beings change</em> [emphasis supplied].<br /><br />Evolution as a non-restrictive concept is applied to explain both biological and non-bio changes. Actually, the evolution of universe theory encompasses Darwin's evolution of species theory, right? I mean, the evolution of the universe tries to explain how elements evolved to create the galaxies and earth that have living things.Jesusa Bernardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13216156182443307139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-82466766690695607382009-12-26T21:26:49.304+08:002009-12-26T21:26:49.304+08:00Jesusa,
Some clarification. Darwin's theory o...Jesusa,<br /><br />Some clarification. Darwin's theory of evolution is an attempt to explain how life came to be from the most simple to the most complex organism up to, and including, man. <br /><br />Darwin's theory has nothing to do with how the universe began. That's the area for cosmology and physics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-28983422312016493592009-12-26T20:02:18.866+08:002009-12-26T20:02:18.866+08:00@ GabbyD
Evolution theories tells us the the chan...@ GabbyD<br /><br />Evolution theories tells us the the change of BOTH biological and non-biological matter. You know the Big Bang theory, etc. of how the universe came into being....<br /><br />If there is a God, S/He must be part biological, or can become biological, for S/He is able to create biological entities.<br /><br />One sure way to know of God's existence come to those who have already died and find out for themselves that the spirit world is true (or not). At least, finding out the existence of the spirit world (if indeed there is) is a step to finding out whether God exists or not.Jesusa Bernardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13216156182443307139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-86686826134203636512009-12-26T15:18:02.385+08:002009-12-26T15:18:02.385+08:00@Bshama
so, can evolution deal with the existence...@Bshama<br /><br />so, can evolution deal with the existence of God? how?<br /><br />@jesus<br />at most, evolution can tell us how biological beings change. is God biological? how can evolution tell us? how can we even know he exists?<br /><br />its Bshama's statement that i want to clarify. i dont understand it, and i dont think its the mainstream understand of what science can effectively prove.<br /><br />but if he has special inisight, i'd love to hear it!GabbyDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-8288730984565758762009-12-25T09:09:55.358+08:002009-12-25T09:09:55.358+08:00blackshama,
Silly hogwash. You really have a scre...blackshama,<br /><br />Silly hogwash. You really have a screwed up understanding of what religion is and, correlatively, a screwed up understanding of atheism. No wonder you are suffering from intellectual diarrhea.<br /><br />Religion is a system of belief based on faith in the positive.<br /><br />Absence of belief in anything as ludicrous as flying unicorns or tooth fairies or your supernatural fantastical deity or one eyed spaghetti gremlin is not religion. It is called rationalism.<br /><br />Digest that well blackshama, and come back when you are already diarrhea-free.<br /><br />Happy holidays to you too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-68814134885449519722009-12-24T17:01:20.444+08:002009-12-24T17:01:20.444+08:00Mr Anonymous
At least we are empirically sure tha...Mr Anonymous<br /><br />At least we are empirically sure that on a bald pate hair doesn't exist. I don't have to take that on faith. Atheists CAN NEVER BE SURE that God doesn't exist.<br /><br />They have to take that on faith. A system of belief based on faith is a religion.<br /><br />Happy ChristmasBen Vallejohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02963290696331676531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-54334918044193591402009-12-24T05:03:36.276+08:002009-12-24T05:03:36.276+08:00Anonymous, if there is a God, there is only one Go...Anonymous, if there is a God, there is only one God, or at least one Supreme Being. (I'm inclined to believe there is because based on my experiences, there is a spirit world.)<br /><br />As for my religious background, I was born and educated a Catholic so I know all about or most about Christianity. Which is why within the Christian/Genesis framework of people having been crafted in God's image, the Creator being supposedly male and female being the default human sex squarely conflict.<br /><br />Besides, RC taught me about morality and God being good. So if God is all-good, why would S/He be biased to one group of people, or one gender? Doesn't make sense. The patriarchy/unfairness is not mysterious either.Jesusa Bernardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13216156182443307139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-49074742706570858472009-12-23T22:49:21.184+08:002009-12-23T22:49:21.184+08:00subscribesubscribeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-21486289339239574182009-12-23T22:48:27.088+08:002009-12-23T22:48:27.088+08:00Ok, let us be clear then Jesusa. Does that mean yo...Ok, let us be clear then Jesusa. Does that mean you do not actually subscibe to the Christian God?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-39912740389968552532009-12-23T19:08:43.335+08:002009-12-23T19:08:43.335+08:00Is that proof, Anonymous? That's all based on ...Is that proof, Anonymous? That's all based on the Judaeo-Christian bible and the Catholic tradition, with all its conflicting dogmas and biblical entries.<br /><br />I mean, if you want to use the bible as proof, how do you account for the entry that says the humans were created in the God's image and likeness but science tells us that FEMALE is the default sex in humans?<br /><br />You know, female = XX & male = XY. Of course in some other creatures, it is male that is the default sex.Jesusa Bernardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13216156182443307139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-55780300650882172072009-12-23T17:54:42.401+08:002009-12-23T17:54:42.401+08:00Jesusa,
Proof that the fantastical Judeo-Christia...Jesusa,<br /><br />Proof that the fantastical Judeo-Christian God is a male is that HE impregnated a virgin to come up with your namesake.<br /><br />He's got sperm not an egg.<br /><br />Unless of course your so-called God is not of the Christian variety; one that has a ring of pantheism into it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-84718872858799696942009-12-23T04:41:00.828+08:002009-12-23T04:41:00.828+08:00By showing that everything in creation evolves, in...By showing that everything in creation evolves, including God Herself/Himself (God is whole, so S/he can't be male) perhaps?<br /><br />Not exactly my thesis but a suppositionJesusa Bernardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13216156182443307139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-54559168604213875662009-12-23T04:19:35.146+08:002009-12-23T04:19:35.146+08:00how can evolution shed light on the existence of g...how can evolution shed light on the existence of god?GabbyDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-74279972003566111322009-12-21T10:25:46.202+08:002009-12-21T10:25:46.202+08:00blackshama,
If you are able to properly understan...blackshama,<br /><br />If you are able to properly understand what religion is, then you will realize that your equation, atheism equals religion, is as erroneous as saying that baldness is a hair color.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-63639099255960374402009-12-20T23:00:04.420+08:002009-12-20T23:00:04.420+08:00Atheism is a religion that doesn't contribute ...Atheism is a religion that doesn't contribute much fitness!Ben Vallejohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02963290696331676531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-61028851533986333842009-12-20T22:58:55.143+08:002009-12-20T22:58:55.143+08:00Sorry Mr Anonymous. The existence of God is a ques...Sorry Mr Anonymous. The existence of God is a question that is proper to Darwinian Evolution too! Your atheism itself is a RELIGION and has to be examined under the LOGICAL light of Darwinism.<br /><br />Richard Dawkins is an example of how atheism is made ridiculous by Darwinism!Ben Vallejohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02963290696331676531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-56588660258581672222009-12-19T19:20:26.181+08:002009-12-19T19:20:26.181+08:00"'Does God Exist?' is really the BIGG..."'Does God Exist?' is really the BIGGEST QUESTION in science. The scientific method may not have all the tools to answer this question and in doing that a theological one may also be needed."<br /><br />The BIGGEST QUESTION?<br /><br />In science?<br /><br />Really?<br /><br /><br />Science doesn't concern itself with this question at all. Your pseudo-scientific posturing is revealed.<br /><br />Science investigates and seeks to understand the natural world. It begs to have nothing to do at all with your wild supernatural fantasies.<br /><br />Your religion keeps on transgressing into the field of science, deathly afraid that science will render it into the trash bin of obsolescence.<br /><br />As it most likely will.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-89505311858069786952009-12-17T21:50:14.774+08:002009-12-17T21:50:14.774+08:00Nice article as for me. It would be great to read ...Nice article as for me. It would be great to read something more concerning that theme. Thanx for giving this data.<br />Sexy Lady<br /><a href="http://www.secret-agent.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">Escort London</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com