tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post4016463565399014001..comments2023-10-20T21:46:49.945+08:00Comments on Philippine Commentary: If Glorietta Was Bombed--Where's the Crater??Deany Bocobohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-14997698860962076852008-01-20T13:56:00.000+08:002008-01-20T13:56:00.000+08:00I think Randy David was writing about the initial ...I think Randy David was writing about the initial RDX findings and not a crater.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-91140370227376946802008-01-16T07:38:00.000+08:002008-01-16T07:38:00.000+08:00"Excuse me, but I'm allowed to make mistakes, as l..."Excuse me, but I'm allowed to make mistakes, as long as I admit them,..."<BR/><BR/>that's what i like about you, djb, unlike the radical cook who won't admit nor tolerate counter recipes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-70189283439538877322008-01-16T04:28:00.000+08:002008-01-16T04:28:00.000+08:00Why the PNP investigators eliminated or totally di...Why the PNP investigators eliminated or totally discarded the RDX initial finding at the explosion site? Are they hiding something sinister? The PNP has credibility problem. The Glorrieta 2 blast case is not yet close until the real perpetuators are brought to justice. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Foreign experts cast doubts on PNP's Glorietta blast findings <BR/><BR/>An international terror and insurgency expert on Tuesday cast doubt on the police's findings that the deadly Glorietta 2 mall blast in Makati City last year was caused by a gas explosion while a Malaysian bomb expert stood by a finding that the blast was caused by explosives.<BR/>"The government needs to conduct quick and clear inquiry," Kit Collier, an International Crisis Group consultant, told foreign media members at a conference in Makati City.<BR/>Collier was referring to the delayed report of the Philippine National Police's findings on the October 19 Glorietta 2 mall blast that killed 11 people and wounded 108 others. The police released its report on the incident last week. <BR/>www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryID=105685Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-78026572438473093722008-01-15T15:01:00.000+08:002008-01-15T15:01:00.000+08:00anonymous,you give simple bloggers too much credit...anonymous,<BR/>you give simple bloggers too much credit. even omniscience! Excuse me, but I'm allowed to make mistakes, as long as I admit them, especially when we are misled by whoever made those phone calls claiming credit for glorietta. i wonder which mischief makers were capable of that? but don't blame me for THEIR deceptions.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-43394408049147338252008-01-15T13:11:00.000+08:002008-01-15T13:11:00.000+08:00Shouldn't you have asked this question to yourself...Shouldn't you have asked this question to yourself when this first occurred and not hollered about terrorism acts or whatever your fertile mind was concocting at the time, way before Trillanes came up with his?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-5859269178047774152008-01-15T12:53:00.000+08:002008-01-15T12:53:00.000+08:00adb,of course in general whether a crater actually...adb,<BR/>of course in general whether a crater actually is created or not depends on the bomb and the surroundings. If we put a firecracker in a steel safe and blow it up, there might not be a crater!<BR/><BR/>But in the specific case of Glorietta, a methane gas explosion is the superior explanation only because it can explain the damage to 3 floors of the mall and outside, yet not need a crater!<BR/><BR/>The real problem with the bomb theory is that, while not completely impossible, the absence a crater requires a more complicated and highly unlikely scenario.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-3712366760249983362008-01-15T10:41:00.000+08:002008-01-15T10:41:00.000+08:00Sorry to disappoint you -- have never been nor am ...Sorry to disappoint you -- have never been nor am I now struck on the Trillanes mode.<BR/><BR/>In fairness, must say my question was succint; didn't give person I asked any other element or history of glorietta blast on which base his succint answer either; just asked him: Will a bomb that explodes create a crater?<BR/><BR/>(By the way, person I asked was my husband who served as commander in a UK nuclear submarine.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-51478723222846126392008-01-15T06:14:00.000+08:002008-01-15T06:14:00.000+08:00ADb,Well, if you're stuck in Trillanes mode, anyt...ADb,<BR/>Well, if you're stuck in Trillanes mode, anything is possible. Wow, but this time GMA's boys, who can hardly do anything right anyway, managed to create a high explosive detonation that leaves no crater. No only that, it leaves only traces of RDX, nothing else: no other explosive chemical component, no bomb parts, no wires, fuses, no crater!<BR/><BR/>C'mon folks, this was a nuclear ebak fart, like a soda bottle full of mentos bursting through the cap: its weakest point.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-71314755800169859832008-01-15T05:27:00.000+08:002008-01-15T05:27:00.000+08:00dean,Re crater or no crater: an engineer tells me ...dean,<BR/><BR/>Re crater or no crater: an engineer tells me a bomb that goes off on the surface, i.e., off the air does not create a crater and depending on how close it was to the ground, doesn't necessarily cause a crater either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-59158312899473583852008-01-15T02:30:00.000+08:002008-01-15T02:30:00.000+08:00PNP chief Razon and his loyal dog Geary Barias a...PNP chief Razon and his loyal dog Geary Barias are fart bomb freaks. Thanks for their Mickey Mouse type of investigation. Only morons buy their fart bomb explosion angle. Where’s the crater? You can find it on their pea brains filled with RDX.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-59120482573314629682008-01-14T00:36:00.000+08:002008-01-14T00:36:00.000+08:00For the sake of introducing a possibility, purely ...For the sake of introducing a possibility, purely from a layman’s point of view.<BR/><BR/>We know a bit about bunker-busting bombs, which can penetrate through reinforced concrete before exploding and thus creating underground craters.<BR/><BR/>What if the bomb detonated did not have bunker-busting capabilities, and thus the force of the explosion was forced to focus upward – to the upper floors? No crater on the basement floor because the bomb could not bust through it. And we assume that underneath that basement floor would be the hardy reinforced foundation of that multi-storey building.<BR/><BR/>Special explosives are used to create bunker-busting bombs and their casings of hardened steel and alloys.Amadeohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00040096079637569742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-338988347408882222008-01-13T19:43:00.000+08:002008-01-13T19:43:00.000+08:00MB,The business of science IS to doubt received wi...MB,<BR/>The business of science IS to doubt received wisdom. It's greatest virtue is skepticism. Never will we lay all doubts to rest. Because the more we know the more we know how much we don't know.<BR/><BR/>But it's very simple. It's like if I say a meteorite the size of Volkswagen has landed at the Luneta. Now if you go there and Jose Rizal gives you a quizzical look coz even he hasn't seen a meteor crater, and you don't see one, how likely is it that the claim is true. <BR/><BR/>In the same way, it's hard to make C4 explode and have all the damage in the vertical direction. A bomb usually has isotropic explosion characteristics. <BR/><BR/>So while we don't lay all doubts to rest, we have confidence in the meaning of probability. We can at least prefer one explanation over the other as being more likely to be true. <BR/><BR/>But we must always be open minded to new evidence.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-60864613727729371562008-01-13T18:54:00.000+08:002008-01-13T18:54:00.000+08:00Come to think of it you're a scientist aren't you?...Come to think of it you're a scientist aren't you? Do you think that explosion can be recreated so that all doubts are laid to rest?manuelbuencaminohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07644763064403005323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-4727725755316847952008-01-13T18:52:00.000+08:002008-01-13T18:52:00.000+08:00Deanie,Remember when the PNP said they would build...Deanie,<BR/><BR/>Remember when the PNP said they would build a scale model of the G2 basement and then demonstrate how the whole thing happened?<BR/><BR/>Sayang they didn't do it. They didn't walk the talk.<BR/><BR/>Maybe they were afraid of falling into a crater. hehemanuelbuencaminohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07644763064403005323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-87354783729096054662008-01-13T17:51:00.000+08:002008-01-13T17:51:00.000+08:00mb,it's your friend trillanes with a crater in his...mb,<BR/>it's your friend trillanes with a crater in his head, hehe.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-87992630458495176092008-01-13T17:49:00.000+08:002008-01-13T17:49:00.000+08:00blackshama,not that rare blackshama. Several incid...blackshama,<BR/>not that rare blackshama. Several incidents of this type occur worldwide, especially in coal mines. also methane gas explosions are apparently associated with volcanic flows. Where lava flows over fresh vegetation huge pockets of methane form and spontaneously explode along slopes and near surround of volcanoes.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-60412513234942623162008-01-13T15:55:00.000+08:002008-01-13T15:55:00.000+08:00The crater is the credibility of the PNPThe crater is the credibility of the PNPmanuelbuencaminohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07644763064403005323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-32743566905008045492008-01-13T15:45:00.000+08:002008-01-13T15:45:00.000+08:00Looks like it is the Ayala's version of the Tungus...Looks like it is the Ayala's version of the Tunguska Russia fireball of 1908.<BR/><BR/>Scientists still debate what really caused that. The only evidence are felled trees.<BR/><BR/>Where's the crater? <BR/><BR/>BTW while it is really possible that biological processes made the Glorietta blast possible, it amazes me that so much methane was produced by bacteria living under a mall. It's mind boggling for an environmental scientist like me since a methane blast is extremely rare in nature.Ben Vallejohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02963290696331676531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-54148285387735876442008-01-13T14:06:00.000+08:002008-01-13T14:06:00.000+08:00okay, no crater, no bomb. so it was a gas explosi...okay, no crater, no bomb. so it was a gas explosion, or what you call a methane gas deflagration. then my question is, was it necessarily due to negligence? could it not have been staged or engineered? is that not humanly possible?stuart-santiagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01684291861341131227noreply@blogger.com