tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post1747680375957372939..comments2023-10-20T21:46:49.945+08:00Comments on Philippine Commentary: Comparison of the Panganiban Formula and the Rizalist Algorithm Applied to the 2007 Party List ResultsDeany Bocobohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-16052414001629848722007-07-29T08:00:00.000+08:002007-07-29T08:00:00.000+08:00Dear DJB,According to some lawyers, when Congress ...Dear DJB,<BR/><BR/><BR/>According to some lawyers, when Congress created additional districts by legislation it's automatic that the number of seats in the lower chamber is changed. <BR/><BR/>Thus, when it created 8 legislative districts by legislation before the 2007 elections, it is also by law that the number of representatives is increased from<BR/><BR/> 212+53=265 in the 13th congress to 220+55=275 in the 14th congress.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/><BR/>LexAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10534546776021254724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-10858002011255836642007-07-29T07:48:00.000+08:002007-07-29T07:48:00.000+08:00Hi DJB,Thank you for regarding my proposed method ...Hi DJB,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for regarding my proposed method better compared to the Panganiban Formula.<BR/><BR/>Yes, the PF uses the "proportionality based on the first party" and not on the "proportionality based on all the qualified parties".<BR/><BR/>This is one argument against the PF.<BR/><BR/> I am not really comfortable with the 4-INVIOLABLE PARAMETERS because I believe that the system it created is inconsistent. The Supreme Court should not call them the "4 INVIOLABLE PARAMETERS" but "3 INVIOLABLE PARAMETERS PLUS A SECONDARY FOURTH" because the 4th is not really inviolable.<BR/><BR/> If the legislators insist that it is part of system, then we shall lobby to increase the number to TEN SEATS because that is really the intention of the CONCOM (although in the context of a two-party-system).<BR/><BR/> Yes, I'm very glad to do some numerical experiments with you. Why don't you post some of your EXCEL files? Maybe we can find the most acceptable APPROXIMATE solution given the 4 parameters.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/><BR/>LexAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10534546776021254724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-12488768396007930162007-07-29T01:41:00.000+08:002007-07-29T01:41:00.000+08:00lex,"Section 12 of the same Law also said that par...lex,<BR/>"Section 12 of the same Law also said that party-list representatives are allocated "proportionately according<BR/>to the percentage of votes obtained by each party, organization, or coalition as against the total<BR/>nationwide votes cast for the party-list system." <BR/><BR/>So why do you calculate the number of seats based on the proportion of the party list votes with respect to the First Party and not the grand total?<BR/><BR/>In fact there is nowhere in the calculations of Panganiban or yours where the "the percentage of votes obtained by each party, organization, or coalition as against the total<BR/>nationwide votes cast for the party-list system." is taken explicitly into account and used for something.<BR/><BR/>That of course is the reason why you would get the same result whether the total votes are 1, 10, 1000, 10,000, 10^6 or 30 million as long as the partylists get the same relative percentages.<BR/><BR/>It is immaterial that one vote is highly unlikely, the criticism is about the gross violation of proportionality exactly as you define it and in Section 12 of the law.<BR/><BR/>But without necessarily agreeing with me in toto, do you agree that in fact there is something wrong with that?<BR/><BR/>I suspect that if you merely introduced this new parameter of total number of seats based on percentage of votes relative to the total, our algorithms would come up with the same answer!<BR/><BR/>I'm looking at my procedure for calculating the seats and I can also adopt the largest remainder system, which might increase my allocation, but still have to run the numbers.<BR/><BR/>BTW, I have some EXCEL files that have simulations and all the numbers in them. We should get do some numerical experiments maybe. The solution space of the 4-parameter problem is very complex and might have some surprisingly good systems hiding in them that even the Courts might agree are better than Panganiban's Formula. <BR/><BR/>I certainly think the Muga Method would be better than PF!Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-76266565316152185412007-07-28T23:12:00.000+08:002007-07-28T23:12:00.000+08:00Dear DJB,The Largest Remainder Method will always ...Dear DJB,<BR/><BR/>The Largest Remainder Method will always give the total number of party-list seats available (55 seats in 2007). See the computation in lexmuga.blogspot.com.<BR/><BR/>The ideal number of seats that a qualified party is entitled to receive based on the principle of proportional representation is equal to its share of the total number of votes of all parties that are entitled to receive a seat times the total number of party-list seats.<BR/><BR/>If the 3-seat cap will be imposed on the LR Method based on the latest Party-list Tally (No. 29), the allocation is reduced to 44 seats.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/><BR/>LexAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10534546776021254724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-22061237347169149302007-07-28T23:03:00.000+08:002007-07-28T23:03:00.000+08:00Dear DJB,It is improbable that the party-list syst...Dear DJB,<BR/><BR/>It is improbable that the party-list system will get only 1 vote.<BR/><BR/>Note that this is a party-list system and and parties are composed of nominees and members.<BR/>In the 2007 elections, the total number of votes cast for the party-list is about 15M (as of the latest tally) out of 29.98M voters who actually voted.<BR/><BR/>What do you mean by pure proportionality? How do I replicate your 22.47 seats?<BR/><BR/>I think pure proportionality is based on those who are entitled to receive a seat. Why do we have to include those who are not entitled to receive a seat in the allocation? They will only make proportionality less pure.<BR/><BR/>Let us not make the party-list difficult for the marginalized and underrepresented sectors of our society.<BR/><BR/>In fact the constitution insists that one-half of the seats allocated to the party-list representatives must come from "labor, peasant, urban poor, indigenous cultural<BR/>communities, women, youth, and such other sectors as provided by law except the religious sector".<BR/><BR/>22.47 seats is less than one-half of the 55 seats.<BR/><BR/>Let us make the party-list system friendly to these sectors.<BR/><BR/>Let us rally together and call for the rejection of the 3-seat cap which is the real culprit of our DISPROPORTIONATE party-list system.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/><BR/>LexAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10534546776021254724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-45238957451301527182007-07-28T22:34:00.000+08:002007-07-28T22:34:00.000+08:00Dear DJB,We differ in the concept of proportional ...Dear DJB,<BR/><BR/>We differ in the concept of proportional representation.<BR/><BR/>The constitution is silent about its meaning. <BR/><BR/>However Sec 11 of RA 7941 specifies that the additional number of seats of those who are entitled to a seat is computed in "proportion to their total number of seats".<BR/><BR/>Section 12 of the same Law also said that party-list representatives are allocated "proportionately according<BR/>to the percentage of votes obtained by each party, organization, or coalition as against the total<BR/>nationwide votes cast for the party-list system." <BR/><BR/>It is clear from the Party-List Law that proportional representation is based on the number of votes cast for the party-list.<BR/><BR/>I think this is the essence of Proportional Representation.<BR/><BR/>For example in the 2005 Bundestag election, the total number of votes of the parties who are entitled to a seat is only about 84.9% of the total number of votes cast but all the number of seats available for the party-list is given (299 regular list seats plus 14 overhang seats).<BR/><BR/>Also, in the 2005 Polish Election of its lower chamber, 6 out of 19 parties were entitled to a seat. These 6 parties obtained 89.07% of the total votes cast but the total number of seats available for the party-list were given to them.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10534546776021254724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-52373253114941045652007-07-28T19:02:00.000+08:002007-07-28T19:02:00.000+08:00There does not seem to be anything PROPORTIONAL ab...There does not seem to be anything PROPORTIONAL about a system in which one party list can get 3 seats for getting 6% of the party list vote each time, but, in the first election gets 10,000,000 votes; in the second eleciton 100,000 votes; and in the third election 1 vote.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-60518697641165225142007-07-28T18:56:00.000+08:002007-07-28T18:56:00.000+08:00lex,sorry i haven't read all your stuff. But how d...lex,<BR/>sorry i haven't read all your stuff. But how do you calculate the 44 seats you award to the party list this year?Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-85408099905653777552007-07-28T18:46:00.000+08:002007-07-28T18:46:00.000+08:00Lex,I think that is the problem with ALL the propo...Lex,<BR/>I think that is the problem with ALL the proposed alternatives as well as the Panganiban Formula.<BR/>You don't actually implement the most obvious of the proportionalities implied in the constitution. Namely, when is the party list system deserving of ALL the seats implied by 20% of the House.<BR/><BR/>In my system, I first calculate this number, which seems to be the correct way to implement proportionality.<BR/><BR/>Regarding district elections, remember that even those who vote for the losing candidate must now accept the winner and "give their power to them".<BR/><BR/>I think not voting for a party list, or voting for one, should count for something.<BR/><BR/>Regarding error function, you award 44 seats, but what is the ideal or purely mathematical result you are comparing that number against? I claim that pure proportionality and the other rules mean 22.47 seats should go to the party lists. You give twice as many but I am sure am not comparing apples to apples.<BR/><BR/>What say you of my criticism though that your system is insensitive to the turnout for the party list?<BR/><BR/><BR/>I MEAN, EVEN IF ONLY ONE VOTE IS CAST, they get seats?Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-48272196853004998572007-07-28T18:36:00.000+08:002007-07-28T18:36:00.000+08:00Dear DJB, Proportional Representation is based on ...Dear DJB,<BR/><BR/> Proportional Representation is based on the total number of votes of all the parties that are entitled to receive a seat and the total number of seats available.<BR/><BR/>We shall consider the basic guiding principle for proportional representation:<BR/><BR/>"Power or legislative seats should be distributed in proportion to people’s stakes under consideration." <BR/><BR/>"individuals with some positive stake shall have some power while individuals with no stakes shall be excluded from the decision-making process."<BR/><BR/>Thus, if individuals do no vote for the party-list then they are not given power.<BR/><BR/>Under this principle the total number of available seats is allocated even if 5 million votes for the party-list out of 100 million voters who actually voted.<BR/><BR/>This is also what we have in the election for the congressional districts. In Batanes, there are less than 10,000 registered voters. If 9,000 voters actually voted and if the leading candidate has 3,000 votes, the seat is given to him or her even if he or she does not receive all the votes.<BR/><BR/><BR/>LexAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10534546776021254724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-7041339023300309542007-07-28T17:42:00.000+08:002007-07-28T17:42:00.000+08:00what i mean is, is your system sensitive to the pr...what i mean is, is your system sensitive to the proportion of the votes given to party lists and the general vote total?<BR/><BR/>What happens in your system if let us say only 100,000 votes cast votes for the partylist?Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-35850318819187564142007-07-28T17:41:00.000+08:002007-07-28T17:41:00.000+08:00Under your system, how many seats would be awarded...Under your system, how many seats would be awarded to the party lists if we assume that the turnout for the partylist in 2007 was not 15 million votes, but say 5 million votes?<BR/><BR/>Is your scheme sensitive to this parameter?Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-25719147268564753142007-07-28T16:37:00.000+08:002007-07-28T16:37:00.000+08:00Dear DJB,I'm using the Largest Remainder method at...Dear DJB,<BR/><BR/>I'm using the Largest Remainder method at 2% formal vote threshold.<BR/><BR/>If the 3rd parameter is imposed (3-seat cap), we have:<BR/> a) 3 seats each for BUHAY down to the 10th ranked COOP-NATCCO;<BR/> b) 2 seats each for BATAS down to the 17th ranked AN WARAY.<BR/><BR/>The total allocation is 3(10)+ 2(7) = 44.<BR/><BR/>This is better than the Panganiban Formula (23 seats), the Rizalist Algorithm (26 seats), and the Mendoza Dissenting Opinion (41 seats).<BR/><BR/>In the 13th Congress, I was involved in the committee of Etta Rosales to amend RA 7941. We only reached the 2nd reading because of the Garci Tapes and the Gloria Impeachment.<BR/><BR/>The seat allocation method of the amendment uses the Largest Remainder Method at 1/(total no. of seats) formal vote threshold and a 6-seat cap.<BR/><BR/>The Rosales amendment will yield 53 seats. The Amendment violates the principle of proportional representation by one seat only or at least 164,676 votes are disenfranchised.<BR/><BR/>We can improve our solution by petitioning the Supreme Court to declare the 3-seat cap as unconstitutional because this is the cause of our DISPROPORTIONATE party-list system.<BR/><BR/>The 3-seat cap is not enshrined in the Constitution. It was mentioned in the minutes of the ConCom because they were discussing the party-list in the context of the two-party system. However, the two-party system was not approved and the commissioners decided to develop an open and multiparty system according to the will of the people.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/><BR/>Lex MugaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10534546776021254724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-50234019213442714922007-07-28T15:54:00.000+08:002007-07-28T15:54:00.000+08:00DJB,In the Bagong Bayani vs Comelec ruling of the ...DJB,<BR/><BR/>In the Bagong Bayani vs Comelec ruling of the Supreme Court where the Panganiban Formula was given, Justice Mendoza provided an alternative formula.<BR/><BR/>The Mendoza formula is stated as follows:<BR/><BR/>1. Following section 11 of RA 7941, those with at least 2% of the total votes cast for the party-list shall be awarded 1 seat each.<BR/><BR/>2. The additional number of seats for each two-percenters is determined by:<BR/><BR/>2.1 multiply the total number of votes of a two-percenter by the remaining number of seats and divide the result by the total number of votes of all the two-percenters.<BR/><BR/>3. The total number of seats of a two-percenter is equal to the integer party of the result in (2.1) plus one seat, if the sum is less than 3. Otherwise, the total number of seats is 3.<BR/><BR/>If we apply the Mendoza formula to the latest Party-List Tally (Report No. 29), the computation for (b) on Buhay is<BR/><BR/>1,169,165 * (55-17) / 8,757,756 =<BR/> 5.07301985. <BR/><BR/>Thus, the sum for Buhay is 6 and<BR/>by the Mendoza formula, Buhay will actually receive 3 seats. <BR/><BR/>Computing the number of seats of the two-percenters we have the following:<BR/><BR/> a) party-list BUHAY down to the 7th ranked party AKBAYAN will receive 3 seats each.<BR/><BR/> b) 8th ranked party ALAGAD down to the 17th ranked party AN WARAY will receive two seats each.<BR/><BR/>The total number of seats <BR/>allocated by the Mendoza Formula in the 2007 elections is<BR/> 7(3) + 10(2) = 41 seats.<BR/><BR/>The allocation is 14 seats short of the total number of seats available. <BR/><BR/>This is better than the Panganiban Formula or the Rizalist Algorithm.<BR/><BR/>However, it violates the principle of proportional representation by at least 8 seats or at least 1,273,855 votes will be disenfranchised.<BR/><BR/>Thanks, <BR/>Lex MugaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10534546776021254724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-72258978147386691232007-07-28T15:42:00.000+08:002007-07-28T15:42:00.000+08:00Hello Lex,I've blogrolled your weblog here at Phil...Hello Lex,<BR/>I've blogrolled your weblog here at Philippine commentary.<BR/><BR/>It is obvious you've been thinking about this interesting problem of the party list for some time and much more than me. So thanks for indulging me.<BR/><BR/>First of, let me just say that I don't agree with questioning ANY of the four parameters. We have to take the word problem as stated.<BR/><BR/>It is not correct to say that there is no correct solution, because the real problem is that there are MANY correct solutions!<BR/><BR/>I think it is misleading to say that the four parameters are inconsistent with each other, because if we think of these things as piecewise functions they end up defining a solution space, which I claim has some solutions that are better than others.<BR/><BR/>Indeed, you can construct a kind of error function over the pertinent domains of interest which can be a mathematical measure of how good any solution is.<BR/><BR/>In other words, if you set up the exact and ideal number of seats that any qualifying party gets and take the difference with whatever solution set is used, the better solution sets are the ones with the smallest integrated error.<BR/><BR/>In my algorithm, the total number of seats awarded to the PLs is 26. Under the Panganiban Formula it is 13. Exact ideal is 22.47. What does your system produce, if you work one out that OBEYS all 4 parameters as both RA and PF do.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-8458742870020497182007-07-28T09:36:00.000+08:002007-07-28T09:36:00.000+08:00DJB,The system of 4 inviolable parameters are inco...DJB,<BR/><BR/>The system of 4 inviolable parameters are inconsistent.<BR/><BR/>Consider the 3rd parameter. <BR/>"a qualified party can have at most 3 seats."<BR/><BR/>Consider the 4th parameter. Suppose that a party has at least 10% of the total votes then by the principle of the proportional representation it will have 10% of the total seats.<BR/><BR/>If there are 55 available seats, then by this Principle it is entitled to 5.5 seats. This means that the party is entitled to either 5 or 6 seats.<BR/><BR/>There is no point of points of intersection. Hence, the system of 4 inviolable parameters are INCONSISTENT. Therefore, there is no correct solution. <BR/><BR/>If a formula claims to have a solution, then there are votes that are DISENFRANCHISED. As in our example, the number of disenfranchised votes of the concerned party is<BR/> between (5-3) x (total votes/total seats) and (6-3) x (total votes/total seats).<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/><BR/>Lex MugaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10534546776021254724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-53297813622880915062007-07-28T08:49:00.000+08:002007-07-28T08:49:00.000+08:00DJB,1.Section 11 of RA 7941 allocates one seat eac...DJB,<BR/><BR/>1.Section 11 of RA 7941 allocates one seat each to the party-list groups (two-percenters) with at least 2% of the total party-list votes. Since 17 parties (Party-List Report No. 29 as of July 11, 2007) have satisfied this requirement, in the first round of the Panganiban Formula, 17 seats are allocated.<BR/><BR/>2. If the first party has at least 6% of the total party-list votes it will be given two additional seats.<BR/><BR/>3. The additional number of a two-percenter is determined by finding the integral part of the product of its total number of votes and the additional number of seats of the first party (2 seats in the case of Buhay 2007) and divided by the total number of votes of the first party.<BR/><BR/> This actually means that if a two-percenter has at least 50% of the total votes of the first party, then it will be given one additional seat. Otherwise, no additional seat is given.<BR/><BR/> Hence, BAYAN MUNA, CIBAC, APEC and GABRIELA will be given one additional seat each.<BR/><BR/> Threfore, a total 6 seats is awarded by the Panganiban Formula in the second round including that of Buhay.<BR/><BR/>3. The total number of seats that will be allocated by the Panganiban Formula (based on Party-List Report No. 29, as of June 11, 2007) is 17+6 = 23. This allocation is 3 seats short of the allocation of the Rizalist Algorithm as computed.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/><BR/>Lex MugaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10534546776021254724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-83198899578266557682007-07-27T14:55:00.000+08:002007-07-27T14:55:00.000+08:00DJB,Been trying to figure out a system that should...DJB,<BR/><BR/>Been trying to figure out a system that should be better than the current as outlined by RA 7941. Still on the drawing board. Will send you when done.Jaxiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17330245135335885179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-62240969521499287372007-07-27T14:28:00.000+08:002007-07-27T14:28:00.000+08:00have you written a complete analysis and alternati...have you written a complete analysis and alternative scheme yourself. I'd like to read it.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-20526528011390651722007-07-27T14:25:00.000+08:002007-07-27T14:25:00.000+08:00hehe,i stand corrected on my arithmetic. but let m...hehe,<BR/>i stand corrected on my arithmetic. but let me read the rest of your comment!Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-45877484486244716942007-07-27T14:24:00.000+08:002007-07-27T14:24:00.000+08:00DJB,53 multiplied by 5 is 265. 212 (number of dist...DJB,<BR/><BR/>53 multiplied by 5 is 265. 212 (number of district reps) + 53 allocated seats for party list. 80% district and 20% party-list. The latter is merely a ceiling, not to be mandatorily filled-up. <BR/><BR/>The maximum of 50 seats, as i said, is a mere ideal under the RA 7941 because of the 2% threshold. Only 50 parties can possibly get 2% out of the 100% votes cast, right? <BR/><BR/>If there are no parties that reach the 2% threshold, then there would be no party-list that would qualify.<BR/><BR/>While the Constitution says 20% of the House of Represetatives shall be composed of party-list, it gave Congress the power to enact a law that would give the parameters for their qualification and selection.<BR/><BR/>Let me reiterate that the Panganiban Formula is only used to determine if a party-list group that qualified under the 2% threshold is entitled to an additional seat. You do not use it to determine if a party-list is entitled to a seat. Qualification for a seat is still the 2% threshold.Jaxiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17330245135335885179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-72558375629610971412007-07-27T13:51:00.000+08:002007-07-27T13:51:00.000+08:00another thing: the Districts have to grow with pop...another thing: the Districts have to grow with population because the constitution also provides that a city or province with 250,000 or more citizens in it is qualified for a seat in the House. <BR/><BR/>The fact that the party lists are not always at their full complement of 20%, I claim, comes from the fact that they have never gotten 100% of the vote at large.<BR/><BR/>In the same way, the District Representatives are also not at their full possible complement which will all change with the next census.<BR/><BR/>I think 20% is an upper limit, not a fixed point.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-10254687982010240002007-07-27T13:45:00.000+08:002007-07-27T13:45:00.000+08:00Jaxius,53 times 5 equals 212.That's 20% of the Num...Jaxius,<BR/>53 times 5 equals 212.<BR/>That's 20% of the Number of District Representatives, not "20 percent of the House Membership including the Party List" as the Constitution provides.<BR/><BR/>See, I think that the number of party list reps that are serving cannot possibly be a FIXED number like 50 because it is always possible for there to be no qualifying party list groups if none of them get 2% or more. <BR/><BR/>But help me understand your point of view by answering this simple question:<BR/><BR/>Should the number of party list representatives be a constant 20% of the House Members? What nga if none or not enough qualify under your own 2% rule?Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-35106818720166425842007-07-27T13:40:00.000+08:002007-07-27T13:40:00.000+08:00Jaxius,But I am only quoting the official results....Jaxius,<BR/>But I am only quoting the official results. I recalculated the results based on the Panganiban Formula and got exactly the same results as announced in the newspapers. <BR/><BR/>The reason that the seven party list candidates were not given seats under the Panganiban Formula is that when you multiply 3 by the ratio of their votes to that of the First Party Buhay, they get a number smaller than 1,which the PF rounds DOWN to zero.<BR/><BR/>this is precisely my criticism of the PF: it does not award seats to those that meet the 2 percent threshold even if doing so would not violate any of the other parameters. <BR/><BR/>I agree with you on that. <BR/><BR/>However, as I've said, it is not AUTOMATIC that in some future election, if a party list gets 2% that it would have a seat under the R.A. <BR/><BR/>RA is based on first calculating the proportion of the House Membership the PL is entitled to, based on the number of votes they get in total divided by all the ballots cast.<BR/><BR/>That is the only real way of implementing PROPORTIONALITY.<BR/><BR/>bUT I AGREE, all those 17 parties who got more than 2% in 2007 should be given seats since it would not violate any of the Four Parameters to do so. ONly the PF would be violated but NONE of the 4 params.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-66746581925257490742007-07-27T13:21:00.000+08:002007-07-27T13:21:00.000+08:00DJB,The number of party-list allocation is depende...DJB,<BR/><BR/>The number of party-list allocation is dependent on the number of district representatives. The constitutional provision was translated by the SC into a mathematical formula:<BR/><BR/>No of district reps/.8 * .2 = no. of party list<BR/><BR/>Thus,<BR/><BR/>212/.8 * .2 = 53 <BR/><BR/>53 is the current allocation, which is a mere ceiling and not to be mandatorily filled up, of party-list seats if we would follow the 1987 Constitution.<BR/><BR/>The 250 maximum-limit in the 1987 Constitution has already been amended by the "gerrymandering" legislation of some of our congressmen so that they or their relatives can have more positions. In 1998, there were already 208 district reps. <BR/><BR/>However, because of the 2% threshold introduced by RA 7941, theoretically only a maximum of 50 of the allocated 53 seats can be filled up, i.e. 50 party-list groups get 2% each. We know this is almost impossible as some party-list groups get more than that. Thus, if Bayan Muna get 10% of the vote, it already eats up two seats that cannot be filled up because it is limited to a maximum of 3 seats (i.e., if it is the party that gets the most votes).<BR/><BR/>Your computation is erroneous. Under the Panganiban system (basing on your table), there should be 20 party-list seats that should be proclaimed. You failed to qualify the 7 parties that got 2%. <BR/><BR/>After figuring out the 20% threshold, the next threshold is the 2%. All parties that get that is entitled to one seat.<BR/><BR/>Now, to figure out whether these parties who qualified are further entitled to additional seats, only then will you use the "Panganiban Formula" (actually, the multiplier of the ratio is not the total number of seats (3) but only the additional seat entitled to the first party (2), as clarified by the SC in the recent CIBAC vs COMELEC). Thus, if the first party got only 3% of the vote and is not entitled to an additional seat, it follows that other parties are not entitled to additional seats. <BR/><BR/>Actually, the formula you devised seems arbitrary and does not fit RA 7941, which by the way Congress needs to amend. I just find it strange that you awarded 2 seats to Butil which only has 1,715 more votes more than Coop-Natcco. Yet, Butil has the same number of seats as Buhay which has more than 760,033 votes!Jaxiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17330245135335885179noreply@blogger.com