tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post115158912169796109..comments2023-10-20T21:46:49.945+08:00Comments on Philippine Commentary: Bishop Iniguez Separates the Church From the StateDeany Bocobohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1151797192162515682006-07-02T07:39:00.000+08:002006-07-02T07:39:00.000+08:00DJB,That,I think is the best analysis and prognosi...DJB,<BR/>That,I think is the best analysis and prognosis I have heard so far!<BR/><BR/>JM, thanks for asking for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1151759746219842412006-07-01T21:15:00.000+08:002006-07-01T21:15:00.000+08:00Jmakabayan,The Church, FVR and the US are special ...Jmakabayan,<BR/>The Church, FVR and the US are special in the sense that they are what I call "veto holders." Though none of them can tell the President what to do, any one of them can more or less "veto" anything she might be inclined to do or is doing. For example chacha is something the Bishops have now "vetoed." It is essentially dead because of that, on top of the Constitutional problems along the way for Sigaw and JDV. My feeling is that Gloria is already telling JDV he has to wait till 2010. She will sacrifice chacha for the impeachment being killed. That is because she has no real stake in chacha, little to gain and it seems she has lost the Church over it. Of course the impeachmentis "lifethreatening" and though they have the numbers, they will have to go to the well for a second time. That could be the last of their political capital with media and the public and civil society.<BR/><BR/>As for being a veto holder, the Church will not now probably veto her falling from power as they did last year, even if they may not take positive steps themselves to overthrow. If the situation arises, they will let it.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1151711026100687232006-07-01T07:43:00.000+08:002006-07-01T07:43:00.000+08:00And please allow me one more comment.Pope John Pau...And please allow me one more comment.<BR/><BR/>Pope John Paul II already gave his opinion on the rights of citizens.<BR/><BR/>I say opinion because ,they treat encyclicals as gospel truth.<BR/><BR/>John-Paul II’s 1991 encyclical Centissimus Annus proclaimed that <BR/><BR/>‘the Church values the democratic system inasmuch as it ensures the participation of citizens in making political choices, and guarantees the governed the possibility of both electing and holding accountable those who govern them, and of replacing them through peaceful means when appropriate.’Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1151710637900146722006-07-01T07:37:00.000+08:002006-07-01T07:37:00.000+08:00Here are the contents of the link above:THE POPE O...Here are the contents of the link above:<BR/><BR/>THE POPE ON THE ROLE OF CHURCH AND STATE <BR/>The Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI gave our President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo a <BR/>copy of his Encyclical “Deus Caritas Est”—the same which he gave to all Bishops <BR/>much earlier this year.<BR/><BR/>The Pope writes in that encyclical “The just ordering of society and the state <BR/>is a central responsibility of politics. As St. Augustine once said, a state <BR/>which is not governed according to justice would be just a bunch of thieves.” <BR/>(No. 28a) It is a strong statement worth remembering. This is what Bishop <BR/>Deogracias Iniguez has quoted in presenting his personal position of siding with <BR/>the Kapisanan ng Makabansang Ekonomiya (KME). He clearly states that he is not <BR/>bringing the CBCP in this personal option regarding the issue of impeachment.<BR/><BR/>Therefore, the CBCP respects Bishop Iñiguez personal option and will not go with <BR/>the suggestion of Malacañang to sanction him because he also agrees with CBCP <BR/>statements on Politics and Moral Values.<BR/><BR/>The pertinent statement of Pope Benedict XVI worth quoting is the following: <BR/>“The Church’s social teaching argues on the basis of what is in accord with the <BR/>nature of every human being. It recognizes that it is not the Church’s <BR/>responsibility to make this teaching prevail in political life. Rather, the <BR/>Church wishes to help form consciences in political life and stimulate greater <BR/>insight into the authentic requirements of justice as well as greater readiness <BR/>to act accordingly, even when this might involve conflict with situations of <BR/>personal interest. Building a just social and civil order, wherein each person <BR/>receives what is his or her due, is an essential task which every generation <BR/>must take up anew. As a political task, this cannot be the Church’s immediate <BR/>responsibility. Yet, since it is also a most important human responsibility, the <BR/>Church is duty-bound to offer, through the purification of reason and through <BR/>ethical formation, her own specific contribution towards understanding the <BR/>requirements of justice and achieving them politically.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1151710397832060332006-07-01T07:33:00.000+08:002006-07-01T07:33:00.000+08:00http://abplagdameo.blogspot.com/The link above say...http://abplagdameo.blogspot.com/<BR/><BR/>The link above says that the bishops were given a copy earlier than GMA.The president makes it apear that the bishop Yniguez has not read the encyclical;much worse she makes it look like that she is the first one to be given a copy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com