tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post114501770733158666..comments2023-10-20T21:46:49.945+08:00Comments on Philippine Commentary: Wasn't One Crucifixion Enough?Deany Bocobohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1152800281322085632006-07-13T22:18:00.000+08:002006-07-13T22:18:00.000+08:00No Offense taken YO MOMZ. Welcome to philippine co...No Offense taken YO MOMZ. Welcome to philippine commentary. some do agree with you around here you know, and I usually learn a lot from those who disagree. Peace!Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1145634317946699302006-04-21T23:45:00.000+08:002006-04-21T23:45:00.000+08:00A warm welcome to Philippine Commentary, Remingdoy...A warm welcome to Philippine Commentary, Remingdoy Rand.<BR/><BR/>To be sure, there is no generalization possible about the motives of flagellants and the folks who nail themselves to lumber, in such an exhibitionistic manner. Perhaps there is a "psycho-spiritual" element, or even, without the spiritual part. <BR/><BR/>But if you find crucifixions a blase and harmless pastime at Lent, that's okay too. Most people drop them from the radar screen and ascribe them to the backwardness of others.<BR/><BR/>It is the audience to these events that really interest me. They are like people hypnotized by a cobra, <BR/>staring, stunned, and fascinated. Some leave with their spirituality diminished, muttering, even tittering.<BR/><BR/>Then they pay the parking fee and disappear. The flagellants bathe themselves with merthiolate and alcohol.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1145630854242720882006-04-21T22:47:00.000+08:002006-04-21T22:47:00.000+08:00hi, I was just bloghopping and I came to this page...hi, I was just bloghopping and I came to this page. It is very informative.<BR/>--------------------<BR/>You people think too much. I do agree with the commodification of culture that is prevalent in this country. But what does it have to with their (the people in these pasyon rituals') preference on how to practice their faith? It's present: the Romano Katoliko is "Filipino" and hey, I'm not even Catholic. If these Roman Catholics would like to physically torture themselves it's worth it: It's better than emotional or mental torture that most metropolitan habitants are doing to themselves. But it do agree with the commodification of culture. Or maybe I just think less about this. <BR/><BR/>Being hypocritical and being a participant of a ritual are very different processes. Hypocrisy requires mental work. Rituals as I would see them as "psycho-spiritual" activities require something beyond the intellect. It would not require reason at a point. People would not care what their knowledge of "Christ" ("Christ" as an object to be thought of) would be but they would care more about the activities that other people do around and about this subject. <BR/>----<BR/>Or maybe I'm just thinking less and not making a point. <BR/><BR/>Or maybe I'm just uninspired by the "poetics" of this article. Bloghop uli! :)undoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11055210377873297267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1145387066186939262006-04-19T03:04:00.000+08:002006-04-19T03:04:00.000+08:00Dean,You asked "Why does the Roman Catholic Church...Dean,<BR/><BR/>You asked "Why does the Roman Catholic Church tolerate these sadomasochistic exploitations of the Passion?". <BR/><BR/>Offhand, I can only think of RCC's lack of moral courage to give em PRCs (Phil Roman Catholics) a piece of their mind and so couldn't tell them what these re-enactments really are: sadomasochistic exploitations of the Passion.HILLBLOGGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05977843513566589811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1145229198250959892006-04-17T07:13:00.000+08:002006-04-17T07:13:00.000+08:00Dominique,The cilice mentioned in the novel is a t...Dominique,<BR/>The cilice mentioned in the novel is a thigh-mounted type, but i guess the original cilices were coarse hairy shirts. But am puzzled at your analogy with exercise equipment. When you wore a cilice, did you lose weight too as a result? Concentration is certainly important in sports or any other endeavour, but how effective is pain at inducing concentration? Aerobics itself would be a real pain, and not the pleasure it ought to be, if self-mortification were its principal object. I don't know Dom, cilice or crucifix I just don't see the grace in it. Not even self-inflicted does it evince any merit. <BR/><BR/>Guess I have to try it?<BR/><BR/>Regarding the non-ostentatious nature of cilice wear, I have to agree, there are lots of exhibitionists in the boutique gyms by comparison. <BR/><BR/>But then, there is also a lot of public holiness to go around, in Masses, processions, and other rituals.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1145195016475057812006-04-16T21:43:00.000+08:002006-04-16T21:43:00.000+08:00Hi, Dean, I've worn a cilice. Despite it's formid...Hi, Dean, <BR/><BR/>I've worn a cilice. Despite it's formidable looks, it's not really that bad. It's slightly uncomfortable at first...but that's about it. Besides, you're only supposed to wear it when you're at your desk, studying. It does wonders for concentration, especially at two in the afternoon. You should try it. Seriously!<BR/><BR/>And if people think that a cilice is bad, well, I wonder what they have to say about other modern instruments of torture...like the stationary bicycle, the nautilus machine, the rowing machine, and the stepper.<BR/><BR/>At least the cilice is kept hidden away, and not meant for show. Whatever good (or ill) it does the wearer, well, that's his or her business.Dom Cimafrancahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02060486314112462681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1145075837904529422006-04-15T12:37:00.000+08:002006-04-15T12:37:00.000+08:00arbet,look at the picture above with a flagellant ...arbet,<BR/>look at the picture above with a flagellant kneeling in front of some children, who are looking at him with curious eyes. His back is bloody from the whipping, and his head is covered with leaves and cloth. But I don't have any doubt that the kids know exactly who this particular person is. Probably a neighbor...or even...their own father! Now, when I interviewed one of the crucified to ask WHY they all did this sort of thing at Lent, he said simply that he was a sinful man and that this was his way of atoning for the evil things he had done, tho we didn't get into that. Probably this man we are talking about is also such a sinner. But if the kids know who he is, or maybe he is their father or uncle, then there might arise the natural suspicion of being guilty of "praying in public so people can see our piety." Jesus (and Garry Willis) castigate this a hypocrisy. <BR/><BR/>Now I can see how narcissism might creep in, if this man, (whom of course I am unfairly ASSUMING is being hypocritical) also admires himself for being so clever, convincing his kids he's actually ATONING for drinking, womanizing or beating them up all year long. <BR/><BR/>I think this business of displaying our holiness in public is a tad hypocritical and a way of saying, "See, I am holier than you might think I am."Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1145070470433245232006-04-15T11:07:00.000+08:002006-04-15T11:07:00.000+08:00Amadeo, Hope you do write a deeper review of Garry...Amadeo, Hope you do write a deeper review of Garry Willis article than I've been able to provide here. This is a different approach I think than that of Separation of Church and State, because in that political principle, it is the State declaring what its limits are. Here, it seems to be a religious principle that eschews politics from its lofty perspective--DISDAINING the exercise of the freedoms granted by the Constitution and declaring itself free of all politics. A quite revolutionary idea, I would think, tho he stresses it is at least 2000 years old.<BR/><BR/>BFR -- the Bible Codes aren't nearly half as interesting. I've ssen a mathematical debunking of it.<BR/><BR/>LD--Narcissism? Hmmm I didn't quite look at it like that. Interesting. You mean a kind of I am the Messiah sort of fantasy?Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1145066452336079732006-04-15T10:00:00.000+08:002006-04-15T10:00:00.000+08:00Here's an outsider's take on the Cutud "festivitie...Here's an outsider's take on the Cutud "festivities".<BR/><BR/>The British would-be crucified reneged at the last hour.<BR/><BR/>Claims God made him do it, i.e., not be crucified.<BR/><BR/>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,25689-2135354,00.htmlAmadeohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00040096079637569742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1145035852816953652006-04-15T01:30:00.000+08:002006-04-15T01:30:00.000+08:00I read Wills' piece when it first came out, which ...I read Wills' piece when it first came out, which was in the middle of the heated debates on illegal immigration. When democrats started to also invoke Christ as their champion on their side of the debates, then more secularists got into the act.<BR/><BR/>I find Wills' piece too radical to be realitically useful. One gets the sense that he simply just wants to be anti-thetical about what is out there regarding the role of Christianity in politics.<BR/><BR/>One has to be more skillful than a surgeon to completely separate one's religious beliefs with one's politics. It just doesn't happen with humanity.<BR/><BR/>He is much too much a complexity as an amalgam to easily lend to such kind of sterile separation. Somehow part of his faith will filter through and enter his politics.<BR/><BR/>Wills does make a good comparison between Christ and Socrates that even Christian theologians may agree partially. Based on our perception of human excellence, Socrates would also have an edge on Christ. I hope I have the time to write about this.Amadeohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00040096079637569742noreply@blogger.com