tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post114101289453626068..comments2023-10-20T21:46:49.945+08:00Comments on Philippine Commentary: As the Sun Sets and Darkness Falls Over My Sad ArchipelagoDeany Bocobohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141174904607602032006-03-01T09:01:00.000+08:002006-03-01T09:01:00.000+08:00The stuff going on in Congress really bears watchi...The stuff going on in Congress really bears watching. The five Congressmen have been surrounded by the police who threaten to arrest them as soon as they come out. JDV, the treacherous pusillanimous pole cat, has offered to surrender them to the police. <BR/><BR/>HB--it's both bribe and reward, but I think people know that. Sometimes a move like this can backfire by confirming people's suspicions.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141156410570276882006-03-01T03:53:00.000+08:002006-03-01T03:53:00.000+08:00DJB,BRIBE OR REWARD?I've just read that Arroyo has...DJB,<BR/><BR/>BRIBE OR REWARD?<BR/><BR/>I've just read that Arroyo has increased wages of state employees "granting a 1,000-peso-increase in monthly salaries of more than one million national government employees, including members of the military and the national police."<BR/><BR/>Malaya reports that "Andaya said Arroyo is not trying to bribe soldiers, policemen and employes into supporting her." <BR/><BR/>A US-based fellow cyber activist immediately posted the following very relevant comment:<BR/><BR/>"Arroyo's right. It's not a bribe. It's a reward. For refusing to mutiny."HILLBLOGGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05977843513566589811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141145782963748022006-03-01T00:56:00.000+08:002006-03-01T00:56:00.000+08:00helga--Yes! Brother Armin has the keys to CEAP (Ca...helga--Yes! Brother Armin has the keys to CEAP (Catholic Education Association of the Philippines) and all the B&W's friends are connected to such institutions. Now is also the time to encourage the promotion of blogging for students in schools with computers and networks. Not even mainly for politics but to create an information and communications network in these all impt institutions that aid in academics and information dissemination in general. They'll find all the political blogs on their own.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141145605016776042006-03-01T00:53:00.000+08:002006-03-01T00:53:00.000+08:00DJB,Just received this from a US based friend memb...DJB,<BR/>Just received this from a US based friend member of an e-mail group I belong to. It's a wild but excellent suggestion to confront Gloria and her SOE head on:<BR/><BR/>"let hundreds of thousands of disgrunted soldiers lay down their arms and join the college students who will be lining up to be put in prison by arroyo. let arroyo worry how to feed the millions that she has threatened to put in jail. <BR/><BR/>"you want to throw people in prison? here, you got millions of volunteers to satisfy your insatiable gluttony of power! we are not afraid of you and your prisons. do with us what you will while the whole world watches."HILLBLOGGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05977843513566589811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141145341085073172006-03-01T00:49:00.000+08:002006-03-01T00:49:00.000+08:00Great point well made, DJB. Old tricks don't elic...Great point well made, DJB. Old tricks don't elicit wonder anymore. I'll take your advice and suggest it to my little group. We had about two forums in mind, maybe we can create more. Let you know!Leah Navarrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08936079585251164701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141145073538653702006-03-01T00:44:00.000+08:002006-03-01T00:44:00.000+08:00Helga--I am not surprised at that reaction from th...Helga--I am not surprised at that reaction from the youth because they are by and large turned off by constant rallies and demonstrations. While those who are already convinced of a position are off marching constantly, the youth are left behind with their own pastimes. Maybe if instead of rallying on Friday the IBP fielded all its members to all the schools in Metro Manila first, explaining with power points in small fora and heart-to-heart talks about fascism and the past...maybe then in a week or so hold MANY such rallies. <BR/><BR/>It's like the old style of warfare -- obsolete or suffering from diminishing returns. We need guerilla warfare. I do not believe the anti-Gloria opposition has actually done a very good job of rallying the public to their side, because they are always rallying and just preaching to the choir.<BR/><BR/>Now is the time to reach out to those who are not yet convinced the President needs to go. Now is the time for explanation to inform the people. Do a good job on that and the people will do a great job on GMA!Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141144585576019332006-03-01T00:36:00.000+08:002006-03-01T00:36:00.000+08:00No, not really why? And I've only read his column ...No, not really why? And I've only read his column once or twice. They say he's the big crony of the President on the Star.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141144483199849222006-03-01T00:34:00.000+08:002006-03-01T00:34:00.000+08:00Hello, DJB. I just received a text from a lawyer ...Hello, DJB. I just received a text from a lawyer friend - the members of the IBP plan to march on Friday morning from IBP HQ to condemn EO 1017. Late today, the students, faculty and Council of UP walked out and held a rally. There is another march scheduled tomorrow against EO 1017 that starts from the Shell station on Ortigas. Maybe we should thank GMA for that EO - it has brought more people back onto the streets.<BR/><BR/>I took MLQ3's advice and visited other blogs last night. I was surprised at the way the youth have taken the imposition so calmly, almost welcoming it. Why didn't their parents take the time to remind them of the horrors that accompany the stifling of our freedoms? Do they really think EO 1017 will quiet the current situation? Will they think the same way when, not if, the telecoms are shut down, when PBB is taken off the air? Will the loss of sms be the tipping point?Leah Navarrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08936079585251164701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141144275807761922006-03-01T00:31:00.000+08:002006-03-01T00:31:00.000+08:00DJB,You friendly with Babe Romualdez?DJB,<BR/><BR/>You friendly with Babe Romualdez?HILLBLOGGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05977843513566589811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141143728156709342006-03-01T00:22:00.000+08:002006-03-01T00:22:00.000+08:00I'm definitely going to be watching his visit like...I'm definitely going to be watching his visit like a hawk since you brought this up. Three day visit is a long one. He'll be able to meet with a lot of people.<BR/><BR/>Btw, don't know if I mentioned this in regard to the Austin Bay blog's coverage of this thing, which actually started last Tuesday, not Friday. He seems to have picked up on a Voice of America broadcast that just "knew" too much for it to have been a lucky guess. But VOA is definitely one of the things to listen to as it reports on Hill's visit.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141143672197450262006-03-01T00:21:00.000+08:002006-03-01T00:21:00.000+08:00DJB,What have I been saying? There were no physica...DJB,<BR/><BR/>What have I been saying? There were no physical evidences of a coup plot that even Bondoc a pro-Arroyo (rather pro Mike Arroy) is hard put to report otherwise...<BR/><BR/>Read on!<BR/><BR/>Coup plot detailed, charges still flimsy<BR/>GOTCHA By Jarius Bondoc<BR/>The Philippine Star 02/28/2006<BR/><BR/>"The AFP belatedly began Monday to declassify documents on a Left-Right conspiracy with the Opposition to topple Gloria Arroyo. Too the PNP charged with rebellion 15 Leftist and past coup leaders. And the justice department listed 50 Leftists, including legislators, wanted for questioning. <BR/><BR/>The flurry of activity aimed to justify and apply Friday’s declaration of national emergency. But it still did not clarify why the police selectively broke up rallies, raided newspapers without court order, and arrested two congressmen and a retired general on skimpy charges. Tuesday February 28. 2006<BR/> <BR/>Home | The Philippine STAR | Pilipino Star Coup plot detailed, charges still flimsy<BR/>GOTCHA By Jarius Bondoc<BR/>The Philippine Star 02/28/2006<BR/><BR/>The AFP belatedly began Monday to declassify documents on a Left-Right conspiracy with the Opposition to topple Gloria Arroyo. Too the PNP charged with rebellion 15 Leftist and past coup leaders. And the justice department listed 50 Leftists, including legislators, wanted for questioning. <BR/><BR/>The flurry of activity aimed to justify and apply Friday’s declaration of national emergency. But it still did not clarify why the police selectively broke up rallies, raided newspapers without court order, and arrested two congressmen and a retired general on skimpy charges."HILLBLOGGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05977843513566589811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141143388467844432006-03-01T00:16:00.000+08:002006-03-01T00:16:00.000+08:00Gloria will have to drive a hard bargain!The Ameri...Gloria will have to drive a hard bargain!<BR/><BR/>The Americans are her only chance of a decent backing to keep her in power. The minute the military senses something is wrong, they will seize the chance and TOPPLE her most elegantly...<BR/><BR/>Jusmag chief's report will come in very, very useful here as well as US military attachés. These are the "wink, wink" conduits to the military. They don't need to say in no uncertain terms anything like "Uncle Sam is withdrawing support..." A wink, wink is all it takes.HILLBLOGGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05977843513566589811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141143062180257742006-03-01T00:11:00.000+08:002006-03-01T00:11:00.000+08:00They say he's in Asia because it looks like Thaila...They say he's in Asia because it looks like Thailand's having it's own "unconstitutional" problems. <BR/><BR/>I don't think the US wants to see these countries descend into chaos, but fresh from the Mohammed cartoon controversy, and the drive to promote global democracy, it would be mighty embarrassing for the US to lose the First Iraq to the CPP NPA for example, or Thailand to the Islamists. <BR/><BR/>I think too, they know that you can't put a lid on the Philippine Press without the kettle exploding in your face. Times have changed since Marcos. The free press is NOT cowed. In fact all night and all day long all over the Shire, the elves and dwarves and human beings are making arrows and axes to slay the orcs with. <BR/><BR/>Finally, it has been no secret that the US wouldn't mind if GMA went bye bye as long as they can ensure the replacent will be friendly to America. <BR/><BR/>Maybe he wants to have closer look at the alternatives...like Drilon, Jun Magsaysay, Pong Biazon...because they know she's lost and I know they won't lift a finger unless there is some real violence like NPA attacks on civilians.<BR/><BR/>I think the commies are about to do another Plaza Miranda bombing though because they might not get a better chance.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141142445351940262006-03-01T00:00:00.000+08:002006-03-01T00:00:00.000+08:00Hey Rizalist, Thanks for the note - I can't access...Hey Rizalist, <BR/><BR/>Thanks for the note - I can't access "comments" site of the blog, never was able to! <BR/><BR/>Nice of you drop by.<BR/><BR/>Btw, got any lodown on the forthcoming State Department TOP gun official's visit?HILLBLOGGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05977843513566589811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141142100450874982006-02-28T23:55:00.000+08:002006-02-28T23:55:00.000+08:00LD--We were talking about that at this party I was...LD--We were talking about that at this party I was in tonight. But an interesting opinion was raised that it might be a lil difficult for the Fortress (nice term) to actually just lift the order, because some real damage has been done to the Press' confidence that they will be allowed to do their job freely. IN fact that will never be restored now. Next, it is beginning to get clearer that the real target is to silence the Media, because they are the really effective enemy of the Fortress. But I doubt that that can be done b4 Tuesday. The President has to balance this political consideratin with the economic danger--ironically!!--posed by 1017. Apparently business people are telling the President there's gonna be an economic cost to this misadventure.<BR/><BR/>She could be damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. Delish.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141139763885407472006-02-28T23:16:00.000+08:002006-02-28T23:16:00.000+08:00good evening folks...sorry I've been gone since ar...good evening folks...sorry I've been gone since around 3pm ... regarding the nothing-doing attitude of the Supreme Court, I was just talking to my bro-in-law who was a law student at the time martial law was declared by Marcos. He says that Supreme Court considered the Proclamaaton 1081 so important the SC held 24 hour sessions for 3 or 4 days until all could be heard. Of course a few days later they issued Javellana...blessing martial law. Today the SC has postponed further oral arguments for March 7 a week away. <BR/><BR/>That Panganiban is GMA's new consigliere.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141134343060775362006-02-28T21:45:00.000+08:002006-02-28T21:45:00.000+08:00Yep, Lord Dracula!They are now forced into a corne...Yep, Lord Dracula!<BR/><BR/>They are now forced into a corner wherein they must produce some paper document as "evidence"!!! Holy cow! When a commander in chief goes on TV and declares emergency rule based on security threat - he or she must also include in that televised proclamation a semblance of presentation of evidence and decisions she's made (prior to going on TV) to address the imminent threat! But heck no...she didn't do that so what gives?<BR/><BR/>The only, real, concrete, physical evidence that they could have presented to the public as basis for declaring the SOE (remember, Querubin's insubordination happened AFTER the SOE) - and which they failed miserably to present at a time when it should have been made it - that would come remotely come closest to a potential coup conspiracy charge is BGen Lim's insubordination when he spoke to Senga!<BR/><BR/>BUTE Imagine declaring a State of Emergency on the basis of a senior military officer's INSUBORDINATION? <BR/><BR/>HHAHAHAHH!<BR/><BR/>Gloria and her government are insane!HILLBLOGGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05977843513566589811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141124306322043842006-02-28T18:58:00.000+08:002006-02-28T18:58:00.000+08:00DJB,Just read that "US state dept. official arrivi...DJB,<BR/><BR/>Just read that "US state dept. official arriving for 3-day visit". <BR/>http://www.inq7.net/globalnation/sec_new/2006/feb/28-02.htm <BR/><BR/>Hmmm, interesting, ...HILLBLOGGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05977843513566589811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141123575860603292006-02-28T18:46:00.000+08:002006-02-28T18:46:00.000+08:00hehe, karl, just posted comment on ricky's re that...hehe, karl, just posted comment on ricky's re that line of yours.HILLBLOGGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05977843513566589811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141123453943039242006-02-28T18:44:00.000+08:002006-02-28T18:44:00.000+08:00HB, Change topic.....On a lighter note...Are we no...HB, <BR/>Change topic.....<BR/><BR/>On a lighter note...<BR/><BR/>Are we now a state of the US of A ?<BR/><BR/>Follow up...will our state be called..the state of emergency?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141121095426469352006-02-28T18:04:00.000+08:002006-02-28T18:04:00.000+08:00Holy shit, Karl! Sorry about Calajate. Didn't know...Holy shit, Karl! Sorry about Calajate. Didn't know...What about his "second in command", is he still alive?<BR/><BR/>Yeah, I submit to that too that retired officers may have been consulted but actual voting - I guess I must stick to my guns. <BR/><BR/>Sorry for saying this (I don't in any manner belittle the wisdom of your Dad and other retired officers) but if indeed retired officers were consulted prior to the MARINES voting, then the whole thing is even more ridiculous - shows a very unprofessional military.HILLBLOGGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05977843513566589811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141120763775675792006-02-28T17:59:00.000+08:002006-02-28T17:59:00.000+08:00HB,So I Stand corrected and I submit to that.. Re:...HB,<BR/><BR/>So I Stand corrected and I submit to that.. Re:retired officers influence(asked dad for opinion he just said he was consulted but that was it..he did not know if others were consulted as well anyways...<BR/>RIP to Commodore Calajate,who died more than a year now...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141118819375178592006-02-28T17:26:00.000+08:002006-02-28T17:26:00.000+08:00Karl,Retired officers? Allaga or Mayuga accepting ...Karl,<BR/><BR/>Retired officers? Allaga or Mayuga accepting retired officers votes? <BR/><BR/>No way, not under BGen Allaga nor Adm Mayuga!<BR/><BR/>If vote had taken place right then and there at Fort Boniface, the votes would have been made by officers with their men on the spot.<BR/><BR/>Unless of course, troublemaker Commo Calajate was in the premises! Even then, MARINES officers in active service, by tradition only obey to their immediate commanding officer's command!HILLBLOGGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05977843513566589811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141116689486759642006-02-28T16:51:00.000+08:002006-02-28T16:51:00.000+08:00DJB,I agree with BFRonquillo! Meanwhile, there is ...DJB,<BR/><BR/>I agree with BFRonquillo! <BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, there is a very interesting point raised by a commenter in MLQ3's blog on the subject of "disciplining" Lim & Querubin which got me going.<BR/><BR/>I posted these comments as a follow-on to the commenter's question:<BR/><BR/>11. a de brux wrote on February 28th, 2006 at 4:43 pm<BR/><BR/><BR/>MLQ3, <BR/><BR/>Firstly, thanks to Wabbitga for note re Max.<BR/>Re Diciplining BGen Lim and Col Ariel Querubin:<BR/><BR/>Questions come to mind that would have legal military bearing on “disciplinging” BGen Lim and indirectly, on the bases of the declaration of Emergency Rule. <BR/><BR/>1. During BGen Lim’s talk with Gen Senga, did he in fact simply ask the CSAFP to “join HIM in his plan to withdraw support for the commander-in-chief”?<BR/>2. Was BGen Lim alone and unaccompanied by officers ‘under his command’ when he discussed with the CSAFP?<BR/>3. At any given instance, during the discussion did he ask CSAFP to join him AND HIS GROUP to withdraw support for the commander-in-chief?<BR/>4. At any given instance, during the discussion, did he say CSAFP that Lim and/or/with his group ARE planning to ask for the resignation of the commander-in-chief and that he would like the CSAFP to join them?<BR/>5. Was BGen Lim ARMED and accompanied by 2 or 3 other ARMED fellow officers (understably with Lim in command) when he talked with CSAFP?<BR/><BR/>Obviously, there was a string of statements made here and there between the two but it is quite important to be exact here since “disciplining” is in question.<BR/><BR/>1. in which case, Lim may be disciplined solely on a charge of INSUBORDINATION<BR/>2. again, a disciplinary case involving INSUBORDINATION - there cannot be a mutiny charge against BGen Lim - technically, the act of direct confrontation with Senga inciting to mutiny MUST INVOLVE 3 or MORE officers/men. The involvement of ONE military person alone cannot constitute inciting to mutiny let alone commit an ACT of mutiny.<BR/>3. that again involves INSUBORDINATION but may involve inciting to MUTINY depending on other factors<BR/>4. asking for the resignation of a commander in chief? plain outright insubordination<BR/>5. that is ATTEMPTED MUTINY but government must be absolutely sure that there was an ARMED threat of any kind for the charge to stick!<BR/><BR/>I’m puzzled that the Palace has been throwing spins/charges that there was and is a coup d’état conspiracy - an extremely serious military CRIME - and at one point even said, FOILED coup d’état (absurd in the extreme) yet during Gloria’s proclamation of Emergency Rule (1 step towards Martial Rule) she did not divulge or show evidences, which she should have done, the dicovery of WEAPONS caché sequestered by supposed perpetuators of a planned coup d’état, list of names of the ring leaders, some details of troop movements.<BR/><BR/>If Gloria did not/could not present evidences that a component of the military (there’s lots of military men on her staff, i.e., retired LtGen Ed Ermita for starters) of which she claims she is commander-in-chief have conspired to overthrow her government by means of a coup d’état, then the case against those officers is simply that of INUBORDINATION!<BR/><BR/>The State has been in a state of rebellion, what with NPAs, MILFs, MNLFs, etc. staging armed attacks on the government military since the end of WWII, so what else is new that she should find the Republic under threat of violence, etc.?<BR/><BR/>What exactly did she declare SEO for? I see no evidence of a COUP D’ETAT conpiracy! Gloria and her government might just fabricate evidences to release to a credulous public but really, they’re too late; they missed their chance. I agree with you entirely MLQ3, government panicked and they’re still panicking. Their panic is going to drive the already restive military to go for the ultimate act: an actual COUP D’ETAT!HILLBLOGGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05977843513566589811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1141095183849054892006-02-28T10:53:00.000+08:002006-02-28T10:53:00.000+08:00Karl, HB--Does this mean that they also voted last...Karl, HB--Does this mean that they also voted last week about what to do. What could the vote have been then? 100% or 9-6 also?<BR/><BR/>Welcome Sabby!Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.com