tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post114008778326946880..comments2023-10-20T21:46:49.945+08:00Comments on Philippine Commentary: Global Jihad Against Insensitive Journalists?Deany Bocobohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-64845841556295491942007-06-06T10:11:00.000+08:002007-06-06T10:11:00.000+08:00Great post, especially interesting looking back on...Great post, especially interesting looking back on it a year later, are enough of us learning enough about this very real and growing nightmare of a threat? Keep learning people, keep teaching what you learn. Spread the word.<BR/><BR/>Without Borders - Great point and out look. And when the inevitable crazies show up and get violent, they must be stopped and prosecuted by the law. People must be able to believe in justice as much as possible.<BR/><BR/>draw not Muhammad -<BR/>Islamic law can only<BR/>apply to Muslims<BR/><BR/>Muslims not bound by Buddhist<BR/>Christian or Jewish doctrine...<BR/>.Captain USpacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00786470726332272129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1140332916145954412006-02-19T15:08:00.000+08:002006-02-19T15:08:00.000+08:00in my ideal world, everybody is welcome. the wise,...in my ideal world, everybody is welcome. the wise, the stupid, the bigots, the fair, the liberal, the believer, the atheist, nihilists, conservative, left, right, middle, the polite, whatever, whoever. i'll allow them to nitpick each other, to debate, to publish anything knowing that there are libel and related laws to be enforced and will be enforced fairly. but they can express themselves in proper ways but they can't burn embassies or behead people who believe otherwise. you might ask: wouldn't my ideal society instead attract all those intolerant and sleazy characters instead of the polite, democratic and the wise ones? definitely not, because in reality, society is a bell curve; the distribution tends to move towards the mean. crackpots really tend to be distributed at the fringes. besides, constant debates and nitpicking sans violence would tend to sober up people and force them to join the rest of the polite, productive, economically busier sections of society. welcome to my ideal society!Dave Lloritohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13592787212335457164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1140230621985993282006-02-18T10:43:00.000+08:002006-02-18T10:43:00.000+08:00what's the news value with the danish cartoons? pr...what's the news value with the danish cartoons? prior to the conflagration and within the philippine context, probably none. but what i'm stressing is that, for the danish editors, they probably thought those cartoons had news value. that's why i defend their rights to publish those cartoons. i do believe press freedom do have limits and they are a) editorial discretion; b) libel and related laws; c) the market. the third one is important because you can publish anything you want within the constraints of the first two, but if no one buys the paper, there goes your business! beyond that, there should be no other restraints. not even those people who may think your editorial decision is "stupid" or "lacks common sense." that's press freedom; that simple.Dave Lloritohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13592787212335457164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1140228704288686962006-02-18T10:11:00.000+08:002006-02-18T10:11:00.000+08:00Thanks Karl, but let me just say: So has Manuel Bu...Thanks Karl, but let me just say: So has Manuel Buencamino!Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1140228329834356152006-02-18T10:05:00.000+08:002006-02-18T10:05:00.000+08:00What I meant wasDJB has been espousing humanityin ...What I meant was<BR/>DJB has been espousing humanity<BR/>in this blog time and againAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1140228192143074962006-02-18T10:03:00.000+08:002006-02-18T10:03:00.000+08:00MB,elightening comment...Let us not forget that DJ...MB,<BR/>elightening comment...<BR/><BR/>Let us not forget that DJB is for humanity, he has been esposusing this time and again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1140208655147876132006-02-18T04:37:00.000+08:002006-02-18T04:37:00.000+08:00MB,I can assure you this blog will close if it eve...MB,<BR/>I can assure you this blog will close if it ever becomes close to what you fear. But perhaps it is healthy for people to be spontaneous and frank about what they think. Better perhaps to rant and rave than burn embassies down. But your presence, Sir, is always welcome. All are welcome here, of all faiths or none. We come to share our passions and weaknesses so we will be strong for our consciences. A blog is a moral whetstone, but we must be abrasive to do our shop sometimes.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1140195787227767422006-02-18T01:03:00.000+08:002006-02-18T01:03:00.000+08:00Hillblogger:The grave concerns you related are tru...Hillblogger:<BR/><BR/>The grave concerns you related are truly just manifestations of the timeless accommodations of appeasement the rest of the world have grudgingly given the Moslem world. All for the noble purposes of respecting and not offending their archaic perceptions of religion and social mores.<BR/><BR/>In a very real way Christianity is responsible for this very benevolent and tolerant attitude toward those who disagree with it. Thus, I have read at least one Jewish blogger invite the rest of the world to study and consider their unique perspectives on justice and vengeance.<BR/><BR/>I believe this present quite literal conflagration over silly cartoons is simply the watershed for the now out in the open confrontation because of substantive differences between the world of Islam (the way it is practiced by many Muslims) and the rest of the world weaned and adapted to the ways of western civilization.<BR/><BR/>And I agree that if Turkey remains to be recalcitrant with regard to the ways necessary to live harmoniously with those they now differ with, then they should stay and be considered part of that same world that remains adamant - The Middle East.<BR/><BR/>I do not believe that the practice of Islam itself is the root of the problem. About 8 million Muslims live in the US. But they are a coterie of different ethnic backgrounds, the African Americans may be the largest grouping with the Arabs next. Islam has been the fastest growing religion for the past decades making it the second largest religious-community here in the States.<BR/><BR/>A majority of them, even among the new immigrants, now speak fluent English and are quite assimilated in more way than we imagine.<BR/><BR/>They know that here in the US assimilation has traditionally been encouraged and possible for all immigrants. But I for one know that in the decades that I have been here many accommodations have also been made all in the name of the new mantras of multi-culturalism, tolerance, and diversity, <BR/><BR/>I sure hope this present predicament will give pause and make people rethink their priorities.Amadeohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00040096079637569742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1140183443093795802006-02-17T21:37:00.000+08:002006-02-17T21:37:00.000+08:00Rizalist,Thanks for phrasing it more accurately.Th...Rizalist,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for phrasing it more accurately.<BR/><BR/>That's precisely what the strategic study concluded. The study foresaw 'conflict' (in military parlance, conflict concerns 'little pockets of wars') was between Islam fundamentalists with covert backing from Islamic nations and the predominantly Christian west. <BR/><BR/>DJB, while I personaly like to consider myself more liberal than conservative (we are a Tory-card holding family though) I am personally opposed (and will always be opposed) to EU giving Turkey full-pledged membership. <BR/><BR/>Having lived her for the most part of my life, I have discovered and keep discovering that there is an ENORMOUS cultural and religious divide between 'Christian' Europe and the Islamic world.<BR/><BR/>This is why I am opposed to Turkey's formal inclusion in the EU; to give the Turkish population the same rights as we European Union members enjoy today in the EU - to circulate, to live, to establish residence and acquire citizenship, etc. - will endanger the core Christian values of our European culture.<BR/><BR/>To me, it is an incredibly risky proposition. (Tony Blair is fighting tooth and nail for Turkey's full EU membership!)<BR/><BR/>Over here, we have already yielded so much democratic space to our Islamic friends, often to the detriment of our own democratic space, i.e., people are very careful to pronounce the word 'Arab' even in the most innocent manner for fear that some 'Arab' might hear and interpret it wrongly, be slighted and react violently.<BR/><BR/>I am not prepared to put my children's lives at risk and will never kowtow to extremists who do not share the same cultural and religious values as I do.HILLBLOGGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05977843513566589811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1140180387393041132006-02-17T20:46:00.000+08:002006-02-17T20:46:00.000+08:00Hillblogger,It doesn't even seem possible for any ...Hillblogger,<BR/>It doesn't even seem possible for any one nation to stand up to "the West". Certainly no nation could even conceive of fighting America in a conventional war. The last one to do so was the USSR, but I think the UK strategists were wrong, or your statement of their study might not have captured what they had in mind. I think that Mohammed El Baradei is right. When he accepted his Nobel Laureate last year, he said the greatest immediate threat was from some group like Al Qaeda getting hold of a Bomb. One way of course that they can do that is to be given the technology by a state like Iran or North Korea. In a way, it's a police action, but with what breathtaking stakes.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1140175456304756172006-02-17T19:24:00.000+08:002006-02-17T19:24:00.000+08:00Without Borders,In 1980 when the 'military stalema...Without Borders,<BR/><BR/>In 1980 when the 'military stalemate' between the US-Western Europe alliance and the UUSR-Eastern European bloc was being confirmed, the UK armed forces, led by the Royal Navy came up with a strategic study which concluded that the next 'conflict' would be between Islamic nations and the predominantly Christian west.<BR/><BR/>The study is UK defence/military property and has not been released to date to the public by the UK government but has been undoubtedly shared with its US allies.<BR/><BR/>I cannot say whether that particular 1980 strategic study has any direct bearing (as in to provoke) on the current hostilities.<BR/><BR/>We can only observe and make our opinions as we go along today...HILLBLOGGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05977843513566589811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1140168753274206222006-02-17T17:32:00.000+08:002006-02-17T17:32:00.000+08:00MB--There is no press freedom issue involved in Ab...MB--There is no press freedom issue involved in Abu Ghraib. Those images have been aired 24/7 by CNN and the global media, but no embassies have been burned down. But something far graver is involved there as we all know. Perhaps not all the guilty have been punished. Yet the problem is far closer to home too than Baghdad or Washington, for right here we have DAILY, and ONGOING the inhuman incarceration of children in Philippine prisons, which CNN has also shown in the exercise of press freedom. And all over the world, jails still reek of man's inhumanity to convicts and innocents alike. America is punishing hers, we ought to work towards the amelioration of ours too. For our Abu Ghraibs are still in operation and the torture is daily for about 20,000 juveniles.Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1140164505563768882006-02-17T16:21:00.000+08:002006-02-17T16:21:00.000+08:00"This is war between Islam and the predominantly o..."This is war between Islam and the predominantly or culturally Christian West provoked by cultural and racial extremism."<BR/><BR/>Im not yet sure about this, in the same manner that im not sure whether Samuel Huntington (clash of civilization) is accurate. me, ill wait for more information before making conclusions.Dave Lloritohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13592787212335457164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1140164135420013422006-02-17T16:15:00.000+08:002006-02-17T16:15:00.000+08:00"The most convenient excuse for shutting down the ..."The most convenient excuse for shutting down the press is - " in the interest of maintaining peace and order." That is why I said the Danish press was reckless and stupid. They have given governments everywhere an excuse to limit press freedom."<BR/><BR/>well, the danish government did not try limiting press freedom. and it did not apologize. as a journalist, im not at all comfortable with the idea that our story should be guided by whether or not "it will give governments the reason to limit press freedom." that's prior restraint, the worst of all forms of censorship. the job of the editor is to determine whether or not a story or a cartoon has news value. it should always be the editors' call, and not someone else. the danish editors of course did apologize for their actions but they maintained that what they did were within danish laws and they are standing by their decision. i support that perspective. but if someone filed a certain legal case that got them convicted and jailed, so be it, for as long as there is due process. since yesterday, the US military has been calling those who are publishing new pictures on abu ghraib tortures "irresponsible" because the pictures supposedly will fan further conflagrations. maybe yes, maybe not. but its not for anybody other than the editors themselves to decide which is "responsible" and which is "irresponsible." that's press freedom!Dave Lloritohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13592787212335457164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1140153207876404482006-02-17T13:13:00.000+08:002006-02-17T13:13:00.000+08:00Hi Erica,Mount Natib...Sister of Pinatubo...intere...Hi Erica,<BR/>Mount Natib...Sister of Pinatubo...interesting...Bataan Nuclear Power Plant is still there above it you know...Deany Bocobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443168826029321831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1140153061804188512006-02-17T13:11:00.000+08:002006-02-17T13:11:00.000+08:00hey, nice site. interesting. finally, something wi...hey, nice site. interesting. finally, something with real substance! about the pulag trip, yup we reached the top. next week, mt. natib naman! =)Pepperminthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09413555475216050928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1140109295087223612006-02-17T01:01:00.000+08:002006-02-17T01:01:00.000+08:00DJB,The current pandemonium, is no longer just a M...DJB,<BR/><BR/>The current pandemonium, is no longer just a Muslim call for a global jihad against 'insensitive journalists.' <BR/><BR/>It has divided the world into a Muslim world - although perhaps less pronounced, less violent in Asia than over here - and the Christian West.<BR/><BR/>This is war between Islam and the predominantly or culturally Christian West provoked by cultural and racial extremism.HILLBLOGGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05977843513566589811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1140105912043640952006-02-17T00:05:00.000+08:002006-02-17T00:05:00.000+08:00I personally believe that the extreme reactions (b...I personally believe that the extreme reactions (burning of embassies, the deaths that resulted in rallies, calling for the death, etc.) do not fit the "damage" done by the cartoon images to the people of Islam.Jon Marianohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00386575006513247160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14974164.post-1140089312524545592006-02-16T19:28:00.000+08:002006-02-16T19:28:00.000+08:00the key word indeed is responsibility. but just li...the key word indeed is responsibility. but just like the rest of people in media, i wouldnt want it in the constitution because no one could really judge whether or not an article or cartoon is "responsible" or "irresponsible." same thing with the word "decency," or "stupidity." that's why we have libel or anti-defamation laws for the courts to be the final arbiter between the "offending" and the "offended" party. the courts, and not the mob nor the state.Dave Lloritohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13592787212335457164noreply@blogger.com